Amph Marvel's Falcon & Winter Soldier [Disney+]

^ That's not it.

 

Are the Sokovia Accords still valid?

Because they seem to have been forgotten about.

 

Falcon’s statement to Not Cap that, “you need all sorts of authorizations,” might suggest that they are still in effect.

 

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So when Isaiah was talking was he talking about the US government locking him up or Hydra? Since I would expect it from both.

 

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I think he was sent away and tested by the US government. If he had been snatched up by Hydra it would be like "eventually I escaped/was saved" but he seems fairly embittered by the whole thing. Also Hydra tends to bury their test subjects "so deep thier ghosts won't be able to find them"



It'd be totally badass if Isaiah busted out of one facility like that though.



What's interesting is that Isaiah, The Flag Smashers and Bucky all seem to have super soldier serum with no apparent side effects. Where's my Red Skull/ Abomination freak shows?

 

That’s what I thought but I just wanted to make sure

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that must have been one ****** life

 

I thought that episode worked much better than the first one. Things seemed more natural, the flow seemed right, and the chemistry between Bucky and Sam is phenomenal. It's clear this show works best when those two are on screen together.

 

We saw the beginning of this with the

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Winter Soldiers in Siberia. They were hyper aggressive and violent as per their training.

I am imagine the subsequent takes on the

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super soldier serum refined this so the person wouldn’t mutate into their monster personalities a la Red Skull or the Abomination.

 

I can already see the rage trolls come after this episode

 

John Walker mystery:

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He was not enhanced. The super soldiers on the train surprised him with their strength. But, in his history it says he was physically superior, but to what level? In the comics he was a Power Broker enhanced being from the get go.

 

I think he at least as far as we know in the show is just born that way/it’s natural

 

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I didn’t think that he was. I thought that the underlying idea behind the Super Patriot arc was that he kind of do what Cap does because he was trained to mimic Cap’s fighting style by Taskmaster, but not quite to Cap’s level, as he’s not enhanced.

 

But wouldn't Sam & Bucky be required to sign them?

And operate under the same authorities as Not Cap and any other Avenger?

 

No I think that was saying new Cap works for the military while Thry dont

 

Except that Cap and Sam refused to sign in Civil War and Bucky was in hiding in Wakanda, plus the Avengers only saved *checks notes* the universe from Thanos. Sam also said he and Bucky were free agents, and not subject to the same restrictions as Not Cap and Battlestar. So no, it sounds they haven’t still signed the Sokovia Accords

 

Yeah, I hope not. I'm still fundamentally opposed to the accords. To me, they're just a way for people to pass the buck and not take responsibility for their own choices and actions. Cap was all about personal responsibility and accountability to higher morality, not bureaucracy.

 

Yeah, I get the reason the Accords, and why Tony supported them, but Cap came from the World War II generation and had a valid point to make in not signing them. The chain of events that led to the Holocaust began with, “we with just want to know who you are.”

 

Hmmm... thinking about Sam and Bucky

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sneaking up on the Flag Smashers in the warehouse.

Love how stealthy Sam is too, Buck turns around and “Huh?” To Sam’s “Oh Hello...”

The thing is, the Winter Soldier was stealthy during his tenure as an assassin, so Sam’s previous comment “...All stealthy...” only refers to his experiences with Bucky/WS.

Anthony and Sebastian are great together. I’m glad the show pushes their frenemies vibe because the humor is very welcome.

 

Y'know this going to end with either Falcon or Winter Solider in dire emergency and one has to admit to the other they need them, other guy may or may not be faking it.

 

Then aren't they operating illegally?

Wasn't the whole point of Civil War that you either had to sign the accords or you were no longer allowed to be an active hero?
Doing so would make you a criminal and those under the authority of the Accords have to bring you in

If they no longer have to sign them and can just do what they want because Endgame, why do the Accords still exist?

 

Not to mention that Ross tried to blame Washington (Winter Soldier) on the Avengers, when it was Hydra's fault. Also, that played into the fears of Rogers and company about the oversight being controlled/manipulated.