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I care about Aquaman and his people. But then, I haven't seen either cut of Justice League.

Just give me more weird and silly undersea adventures, please.

 

have you watched the long versions of Mos and BvS ? so as to get the full vision of visionary director Zack Snyder's full vision , so that you have the full vision tyo go into the the visionary vision zack snyderds vysionary ... oh I don't give a **** .

 

No, and I'm happy I didn't, because it would have meant more.

The guy's a hack. He's a B-movie level director with A-movie level budgets.

 

I forgot to post about the Justice League Snyder Cut when I watched it last week.

I thought it was great! I sat through it all in one sitting. It's by far the longest film I've ever seen, but I was honestly not bored for even a minute. Everything felt like it belonged and served a purpose. I wouldn't rewatch it in one sitting again, so maybe it would've worked better as a 4 part miniseries.

I couldn't believe just how different it was to the theatrical cut. I knew there'd be new and changed content, but not this much! So it felt like I was watching an entirely different film. It just kept making me think "Why the hell did Joss take this out?!" and "Why the hell did Joss change this?!". I remember saying I enjoyed the theatrical cut when it came out, but looking back on it now... not so much. Snyder's Cut should 100% be the canon version.

I loved the serious and dark tone of BvS, so having Justice League feel like a knock off of the Avengers really cheapened the overall feel of the film, whereas this version really feels like it belongs in the same universe. Another reason why I want this to be canon is the spin off's Snyder had planned. The Knightmare film looked so cool and interesting. Batman teaming up with Joker and Deathstroke to fight an evil Superman in an apocalyptic world? Hell yes! And then we have the Batman vs. Deathstroke film too, which was easily my most hyped DC project. Please WB... do the right thing. Listen to the fans.

At first I was confused that the film was in a square ratio, but as I kept watching, the more I fell in love with it. It actually made the cinematography stand out even more as each shot was framed perfectly. You could take a screen shot at any given time and be left with a really cool looking image. The use of slomo was really well done too, and made for some epic shots. Sometimes films overdo it, but it was done perfectly here.

The CGI was just ok, as usual for a DC film. I don't know why they don't do something about it, because it's always been such a big problem. WW1984 easily has the worst CGI out of them all, but some of the shots in this film gave it a run for its money, especially on Amazon. However, there was stuff that looked great too. For example, I absolutely loved what they did with Steppenwolf. He looked like an absolute badass this time with his armour.

As for the characters, they were all handled really well and you can tell how much of a fan Zack is of them. Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, Cyborg - all great. I can see why Ray Fisher (Cyborg) was so upset with the theatrical cut, because so much of his story and scenes got cut, but now after seeing him getting a proper treatment I really liked the character. Steppenwolf is no longer the worst character in the DCCU. Not only was he now intimidating and felt like an actual threat, but he also had character development and some emotional depth. And how can I forget Darkseid. He wasn't in it much, but what we did get was badass. Please let us see him again!

There was some really cool action / fight scenes, especially at the end with the JL vs. Steppenwolf and his army. The way Diana slices his head off as he's being pummeled back to Apokalips with Darkseid watching... badass!! And pretty much everything with Batman was great too.

Overall I'm giving it an 8 or maybe even an 8.5/10. Really impressed with what Zack and his team managed to do, and here's hoping we get to see his universe / vision continued.

 

The answer is almost always "because DC said they didn't like Snyder's vision and it had to be two hours by contract"...

 

Saw the Snyder cut last week.

Loved it. Didn’t feel like 4 hours at all. To me, it felt like 2:30 hours and I wasn’t bored. I contrast that to all of the LotR movies which were*looks it up* apparently shorter in duration but sometimes legitimately took me days to finish and felt like a huge task to do so.

Flash’s MVP moment completely sent the movie into rewatchable status in my household forever. As well as Darkseid’s underrated “We will use the old ways” quote.

Loved it. Though, with that being said, I was never sold on Ray Fisher as Cyborg and I’m...... KIND OF okay with them taking it in a new direction. But that Darkseid... that will be incredibly hard to outdo in DC comics. He had such a presence and gravity to him. Overpowered yet beatable. Confident and cruel.

Still don’t get the complaints about CGI. IMHO I’ve never seen an amazing CGI movie because it all kind of registers in my brain as fake. With that being said, I thought Steppenwolf’s upgrade was perfect.

 

Completely agree on the nightmare analysis.

 

Thank you. This. I've been feeling like the conversation around this whole Snyder vs. Whedon conversation was somehow missing something really obvious, but I couldn't articulate it or put my finger on it. This is it in its most succinct form. Well said.

You see, you can't make a four hour movie, knowing that it's going to get cut down to, at best, two-and-a-half hours and just be like, "Well, wait until you see my Director's Cut." No, how about you put in the effort to actually just craft a good movie out of the gate. Then if your Director's Cut makes it better, well, okay. But you cannot make a ****** movie and then handwave the audience by saying, "Well, my full vision is much better" when you knew from the jump that your full vision was never on the table. It's such a con. "No one will make the movie I want, so I'll make a ****** version of it specifically so that I can then stir up a lot of drama and make people want to see the version I want to make." No. Don't. **** you. That's not how this works.

 

I’m confused.

Are you saying that Snyder Director’s cut IS the movie he wanted to make all along or... yea, I’m confused? Are you mad at Whedon or Snyder for the original movie?

 

I suspect the Snyder cut is more or less the version he wanted to make all along, but he also knew all along that there was really no prospect of success for the initial theatrical release. Even if Whedon hadn't been brought in and Snyder hadn't been taken off the project, the initial theatrical release of Justice League would have been a disaster because there was no way his vision would get into theaters and he knew that. It would have been hacked all to hell and back even if Whedon hadn't been brought in and then he would have put out his director's cut on blu-ray like with BvS and everyone would be talking about how great his full vision was. All this Whedon stuff has just muddied the waters and delayed the whole process and distracted everyone from the original point which is that Snyder torpedoed Justice League long before he was taken off the project by trying to make a movie that he knew would never and could never actually make it into theaters.

These are my suspicions. That's all they are. Feel free to disagree. And I'm not actually mad at anybody.

 

I could have sworn Justice League was at one point announced as a two part film. Not sure if that was an official announcement or well informed internet movie news. I seem to remember a two part Justice League is what pushed Marvel to make a two part Avengers, which Marvel then said wasn’t two parts but two separate films to further separate themselves.

DC and Marvel were gearing up to have a huge head to head battle with their film series. But after Batman v Superman - DC tapped out on direct completion with the MCU.

 

I think they would've allowed a 3 hour theatrical cut (if it was good) , then he would've done a longer cut with maybe another 30 mins. for dvd.
I think the future bits and J'onn J'onzz were added in because these were parts of ideas he had for the sequels that after his daughter's death etc. became movies that wouldn't happen , so he puts them in this cut as a way of saying "here's some ideas I had" plus hoping that the fans would be OMG! We want that!

this 4 hour cut is too long , but since for home entertainment he knew he could get away with it he shovelled everything in.

 

I see WB is on the same wavelength that I'm on when it comes to Ray Fisher nonsense.

From latest article about this saga in THR

 

My issue with Snyder is he was hired to make a tentpole film. He wanted to make an epic and thought provoking film. That's not what this was. He wasn't hired to make his own 'Joker'. He was hired to make the DC equivalent of Avengers.

The problem is, he thought he was smarter than everyone else and had all these clever little nods and breadcrumbs to tie into some big overreaching plot. He took 4 hours to tell a story that Whedon told in less than 2.

And, he hadn't even bothered to introduce half the cast.

I think this is epitomized by how Martian Manhunter came to be in the film: He was never planned to be in the early drafts and came about because he was denied Green Lantern and thought it would be cool to have General Swanwick be the Manhunter. But... there's no setup for that. It makes no sense because Manhunter basically sat out THREE major crisis events: Man of Steel was literally an existential threat to the planet - and he sat in the base fretting. Then, Doomsday attacks and destroys portions of the city while the president is ordering nukes- and he sat in the situation room. Then, he sits out the entire Steppenwolf attack. It makes Manhunter the MOST useless hero on the planet.

A tentpole film needs to be easy to follow and connect with audiences. I don't really care about all of Cyborg and Flash's backstory in an ensemble film- I want to see the Justice League be the Justice League. I think Bruce Timm got this with the first few episodes of Justice League's animated series- but he also knew he'd have future episodes to flesh out the characters. Except, so did Snyder if he had done it right. More than half of what was cut could have been its own origin film for Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman. Stuff they could have touched on in those future films. In effect, we saw this can work with Aquaman's own film.

Whedon was tasked with taking what Snyder had done and make it a tentpole film. He did what he could. He put the focus on the big three with Diana and Bruce struggling to lead this crew and Superman coming back as a hero. But the problem is that Snyder had not given enough setup for this to have any payoff when compared to Avengers.
And because he didn't invest much in Darkseid and Whedon had a tight turnaround and budget, he couldn't exactly pivot to Darkseid and had to make Steppenwolf work- and the guy sucks as a main threat.

I blame Snyder for trying to make this big EPIC world without putting in the work. He cut corners by shoehorning characters wherever he could and did not give these characters the moments needed to define them as heroes- especially Superman. Why is the world mourning a guy that they were literally turning against in Dawn of Justice? And Batman? Seems like they could never figure out how long he was operating or why. They just barely scratched the surface there.

Compare it to Iron Man's death and the reaction after and it's a world of difference.

 

Also, Snyder likely stole the idea from Supergirl when they revealed Hank Henshaw was actually J'onn Jones. So he doesn't even get points for having a creative idea.

 

Seems there were more problems with Joss Whedon.

 

I... don't think anyone who hates Zack Snyder's films has said disparagement about him personally. Generally by all accounts he's generally well-liked on sets... one has nothing to do with the other, nor has anyone in here publicly defended Joss Whedon of any sort when the full set of allegations were out.

 

I have no opinion one way or the other about him. I enjoyed Watchmen to a point (that opening sequence was amazing) and generally enjoyed 300 for what it was. I also can judge Whedon's films without judging Whedon himself. Same with Ray Fisher's acting over what he's saying on social media etc.