main
side
curve
  1. ATTENTION: All leaks and rumors MUST be spoiler tagged. Information from official sources or the big trades do NOT need to be tagged

Ahsoka Sabine

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Chris0013, Nov 28, 2020.

  1. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 16, 2016
    I've started watching Agents of Shield (six episodes in so far) largely because of the Chloe Bennet suggestion, and I think she'd be a good pick for Sabine; her voice seems closer than that of Jessica Henwick. Also, the ending scene of Girl in the Flower Dress reminded me a little of the climax in Trials of the Darksaber (i.e. young female protagonist pushed, by the father figure of the central group, to open up about something that has to do with her family).
     
    clone commander bossk likes this.
  2. Darth Derringer

    Darth Derringer Jedi Grand Master star 2

    Registered:
    May 9, 1999
    I've heard a small bit of internet buzz about Katy M O'Brian being a strong candidate. She's played a lot of 'kick-butt,' tough-girl roles prior to being cast in Mandalorian last season as Gideon's first officer.
    [​IMG]
     
  3. Darth Derringer

    Darth Derringer Jedi Grand Master star 2

    Registered:
    May 9, 1999
    I had never really thought about Sabine's 'our world race' when it came to casting an actress to play the role. Frankly, until reading the above comments, I just thought of her as a tough Mandalorian. I wholeheartedly agree with you both now about casting an Asian woman.
     
  4. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    The YouTube algorithm noted that I’d been pulling up mixes of The Mandalorian Theme with other themes (Gideon’s, Bo-Katan’s, Boba’s)...

    So naturally it spout out a mix of The Mandalorian Theme and Sabine’s theme from Rebels.

    ...I’d forgotten how heartbreaking some of Sabine’s theme can get. It’s like it’s trying to be a soaring, uplifting theme, but gets dragged down by melancholy, but perseveres anyway.

    ...And if you use it as a counterpoint to The Mandalorian’s theme, they kind of reinforce each other. It’s beautiful.:_|
     
  5. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Feb 2, 2015
    I think that's Filoni's influence. He instructed Kevin Kiner to write western-inspired music for Mandalorian characters. Appropriate, given their gunslinger characterization. This track from Rebels gets even closer to the mood, and even the melody of the Mandalorian main theme.



     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2021
  6. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Sep 20, 2002
    That is amazing! Absolutely beautiful.

    Say what you will about Kiner, but he can write a theme. Ahsoka's theme and Sabine's theme are some of my favorite in all of Star Wars.
     
    Grey Matter and godisawesome like this.
  7. clone commander bossk

    clone commander bossk Ostrich Velocity Expert star 5

    Registered:
    Nov 5, 2019
    Sabine's theme is the saddest sometimes. :_|
     
    godisawesome likes this.
  8. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    I still kind of feel like the emotional trauma she expressed at the epoch of Trials of the Darksaber, when that music first really went full force at the audience, is still somewhat untapped.

    I kind of hope there are other Mandos that express a disgust for her creation of the Duchess. It really feels like an open wound that makes the best argument for why Sabine felt she had to give the Darksaber to Bo, and feels like the best possible excuse for why she wound up mostly just back with the Ghosts after everything. Credentials-wise, she should be Bo-Katan’s greatest counterpart as a political leader - powerful family, high degree of personal competence, and connections to other power bases int he Galaxy. But whatever crud Bo might pick up for her failed liberations of Mandalore, Sabine probably overshadows those failures with The Duchess.
     
  9. Cynda

    Cynda Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Dec 20, 2014
    Since the series has set up Mandalorians into factions (Din belonging to Children of the Watch, Bo Katan leading a restoration movement) I wonder if Sabine will belong to a different Mandalorian faction. Something that was the most interesting about her in Rebels (that I wish they focused on more) is that she is a Mandalorian, but she has also integrated herself with outsiders, like the Rebellion, to the point where she rejects some Mandalorian practices. The example the comes foremost to mind is the episode Legacy of Mandalore. She defeats Gar Saxon and he refuses to yield. But she refuses to kill him, saying "That might be the Mandalorian way, but that's not my way. Not anymore."

    What kind of faction Sabine's would look like I am not quite sure. But I think it would be quite interesting to focus the third season on Din encountering these factions: exploring more of the Children of the Watch, Bo Katan's crusade to restore Mandalore in her image, maybe the New Mandalorians from the Clone Wars who don't even wear the traditional armor, any remnants of traitors like Clan Saxon who may or may not still be loyal to the Empire. And it would be a great way to (re)introduce Sabine.
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2021
  10. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Lord knows we’ve talked about this a few times here.[face_laugh]

    But, it’s always fun.

    Some possibilities:

    -Sabine, the Rebel: A Sabine who has faded a bit from Mandalorian politics and society, redoubling her efforts with the larger Rebellion, and who’s exploits with the Darksaber are largely forgotten.

    -Sabine, the infamous outcast: A Sabine who is likewise disconnected from Mandalorian politics, but not because she was forgotten or disrespected, because they remember her creating the Duchess and surrendering the Darksaber to Bo-Katan, but still remember she could do that last bit because she beat Gar Saxon in single combat, and respect her as a great warrior.

    -Sabine, the reluctant idol: A Sabine who is still personally invested in the Rebellion first and foremost, and still feeling some guilt and unworthiness... but who has support from various Mandalorian groups because of her heroism against the Empire, and may even have a quiet movement to only accept her as Mandalore, possibly led by the Protectors,

    -Sabine, Bo’s rival: A Sabine who is fully involved in Mandalorian politics, and represents a counterpoint to Bo’s power base.
     
  11. Cynda

    Cynda Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Dec 20, 2014
    If I had to guess which backstory the story writers will go with, based on how little narrative backstory they give to Ahsoka and Bo Katan in the context of the Mandalorian series itself, the other characters from the cartoons, they will follow suit and go with something straightforward for Sabine also.
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2021
    clone commander bossk likes this.
  12. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    At least in first presentation, yeah; they only needed a second crack at Bo Katan to start making it clear to even fans of only The Mandalorian that she’s a lot more complicated than she first seems to be.

    An interesting query is under what circumstances Din might encounter Sabine.

    The least interesting option would be if she’s largely relegated to Ahsoka’s show and their meeting is just incidental to a crossover between those shows; it’s a possibility that must be considered, but it’s the least imaginative one because it forgoes the more interesting routes an appearance on his show would be likely to showcase.

    The options for her showing up in Din’s show are considerably more widespread and interesting. Maybe she shows up because Ahsoka asked her to check up on what happened to Grogu, so we get a discussion of the Jedi from two different Mandalorian perspectives. Maybe she gets introduced when Din does somebody a favor (again), and their parallels and contrasts are explored in a friendly way. Or maybe it’s more antagonistic, with Bo sending Din to duel Sabine to clarify who owns the saber, or to get her to submit to Bo’s authority because she’s technically the head of Clan Wren, or because she’s someone the Protectors prefer as a leader.

    The number of parallels and contrasts between them makes me more interested in a potentially antagonistic meeting at first.

    Two highly skilled and heroic Mandalorian with complicated but friendly relationships to the Jedi who both found themselves shoved into being potential claimants for the throne of Mandalore who’ve done bad things in their past they wanted to atone for... but one the well-educated child prodigy heir to a noble house who expresses her creativity all over her armor and path and who dedicated herself to the Rebel cause, and the other a poor uneducated foundling from the nomads who wears totally unpainted armor and has severe cynicism about the New Republic.

    The fact they both *should* have lightsabers in their possession also means a potential “Trials of the Darksaber 2: Sabine is the Teacher this Time” is possible.
     
    Mostly Handless likes this.
  13. Cynda

    Cynda Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Dec 20, 2014
    Now that Din Djarin has the Darksaber, other Mandalorians will come to him, whether he wants that or not. Kanan warned Sabine as much when she had the blade. So, maybe Sabine will seek Din out, though your scenarios sound equally plausible.
     
  14. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    I hadn’t though about her hearing he has the Darksaber and deciding he needed to be educated in it. That’s not a bad idea itself.
     
    clone commander bossk and Cynda like this.
  15. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 2

    Registered:
    Nov 5, 2011
    That should excite the Tumblr crowd with Sa-Din fan-fic and art[face_laugh]
     
    clone commander bossk likes this.
  16. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    “Sa-Din?”

    Heh, there are worse portmanteaus.:p

    I may or may not think that *if* Disney wants to do a romance on the show with either Sabine or Din, they might be an intriguing possibility - but it wouldn’t be the be-all-end-all for me. It would be a nice, cleansing thing to have to wipe out the disgust of more toxic romances they allowed Star Wars to do... but it’s not what I’m looking for.

    (...I still kind of want to see it, mind you, I just don’t need it.;))
     
    clone commander bossk likes this.
  17. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 2

    Registered:
    Nov 5, 2011
    Haha yeah, clearly a romance between the two never occured to me before until just now so Sa-Din will be it until someone comes up with a better name,lol.

    But now that we're talking about it, and considering they'll be both roughly the same age, I doubt Disney will be able to stay away from some sort of budding romance between the two. Especially if she were to be in Season 3 to help "teach" Din about Mandalorian responsibilities. With Grogu most likely out of the way, I'm curious what they'll do to try to pull on audiences heart strings going forward as far as giving Din motivation for whatever he does going forward. And we all know that the love story is in every Star Wars story's DNA.
     
    clone commander bossk likes this.
  18. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    The natural objection to that, of course, would be that Sabine already has a close male companion near her age - Ezra - and Filoni specifically made sure that developed into an intimate platonic relationship. So there’s both a precedent to avoiding romance with Sabine, and if he were to renew on that, he might feel Ezra would fit the role better now that time has passed.

    Don’t get me wrong - I would want a positive major live action romance to wash the foul taste of Reylo from Star Wars-fan’s palettes. And yes, the intriguing contrasts and similarities between Din and Sabine make that sound like an intriguing premise.

    But I’m not banking on it at all. I’ll be delighted if it shows up. But I’m not predicting it at all.
     
  19. Verbal21

    Verbal21 Jedi Master star 2

    Registered:
    Nov 5, 2011
    Oh right, Ezra would be the more natural romance interest and I'd rather they continue off where they left off during Rebels.

    That's probably why I never gave Din and Sabine much thought before the theory/suggestion I answered. I suppose my stance is that Din can just figure it out himself as the show goes along. Go full Jon Snow will no desire to ever lead "officially" but is just a strong enough character that others will always follow him as he learns and finds his way.
     
  20. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

    Registered:
    Jan 15, 2018

    Oh yeah she must likley, playing Sabine again.
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2021
  21. CrazyOldJedi

    CrazyOldJedi Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    Oct 29, 2000
    Ah, another riddle?

    It's quite simple really.
    She does not know because they will not tell her.
    Unless they bring back the animated version of Sabine she is out of the loop.
    She has nothing to do with the live action production.
     
  22. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    The fact that LFL has clearly doubled down on secrecy doesn’t help with any clarity here; the Disney+ shows, both SW and MCU, have shown far greater control of their publicly known material than previous Star Wars films, even to the extent of concealing casting information that usually gets acknowledged as a matter of course. And they probably want to do that *even more* now.

    Sircar seems closer to Eckstein in terms of being more prolific as a voice actor than a live-action actor, unlike Sackhoff. Still… there is some chance she could be on the casting list for the character if they so desired.
     
  23. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Jan 16, 2016
    On a related note (no pun intended), there's a similarity in the Armorer/Children of the Watch motif to the secondary melody of Sabine's theme, for instance at 1:32 in Samuel Kim's rendition. The former is most prominent at 1:55 here:



    It could represent shared lineage, or could be purely coincidental. :)
     
  24. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Crazy, Likely Substance-less Speculation: the Armorer is Rook Kast, and the Kasts are a cadet branch of Clan Wren.

    Yeah, it’s nonsense, but it’s fun!
     
    Grey Matter likes this.
  25. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

    Registered:
    Jan 15, 2018

    I can see a storyline for her to be Mandalore next ruler after Bo Katan is dead or rejects the leadership and Din Djarin goes back to the women he met and live in peace with Grogu.