Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Also, the 'Quarren Gunship' he includes, I had spotted before, in a foldout scrapbook of Rebel Ships. Had a good foldout of X-wing and Y-Wing cutaways, Home One, and the Calamari shipyards (resembling Sluis Van Harbour-class stations) Anyone know the book?
I'd previously interpreted this 'gunship' as a patrol craft based on a Nebulon-B bridge pod, under 70 m long, with a trio of fins beneath it, too...

 

Nope. You got this book?

 

I used to. Probably thrown away or damaged years ago, though. Here it is: https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Star-Wars-Rebel-Alliance-Ships-Fleet/1206572310/bd

Bill Smith - Rebel Alliance: Ships of the Fleet. And one was done for the Empire, too.

 

How rapidly were ImpStars brought into the Imperial fleet post-ROTS? And whatever happened to the Venators and such that were replaced?

 

In Legends ISDs existed in the fleet right before ROTS, and ballooned in number right after due to a great deal of resources being devoted to their production. I don't know about newcanon.

 

So in Legends, the Imperial-class was originally called the Imperator-class. There is an ISD named "Imperator" that shows up in TIE Fighter and X-wing Alliance. Was this ship intended to be the first ISD? Or did the whole "it used to be called Imperator-class Star Destroyer" thing come about later and separately? And then Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader comes along and says the first ISD was named "Executrix", so then I guess "Imperator" isn't the first ship of the class at all now.

Now that I think about it, do GFFA ships generally abide by our real-life U.S. Navy convention of naming ship classes after the first ship? Off the top of my head, I think I can only think of the Executor-class and Viscount-class.

 

A guy called Geoffrey Mandel, did fanon depictions of an "Imperator-class" all the way back in 1978. These were never canon, but Curtis Saxton used them as the basis of his "Imperator-class Star Destroyer" concept, which he put into Star Wars Incredible Cross Sections: ROTS.

Quotes from back in 2013, the last time the topic came up:

 

Hmm, so I'm assuming the "Imperator-class" thing came about because it would sound really awkward to have a ship named "Imperial". But then if ship classes in the SW universe aren't always named after their first ship, as Dark Lord seems to show, then I guess the issue is moot?

 

Yup.

 

As far as I recall the name "Imperator-class" came from the ROTS cross sections book as a way to justify the presence of ISDs in the Republic Navy (it would have been weird for them to be called "Imperial-class" before the transition). Then again I also can't think of any source that implied the presence of ISDs in the Republic Navy before that book, so I guess they created the issue themselves?

 

The "Behind the Scenes" section for the Imperial I class on Wookieepedia (Legends) suggests that the Imperial Venator at the end of RotS may have originally been an Imperial I / Imperator in an early animatic.

They give no source though, oddly.

My guess is that the Cross-Sections author, Curtis Saxton, knew that Luceno was using the Imperator in the upcoming Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, and decided to reference it in Incredible Cross-Sections, as they did with other stuff from the EU in those books.

 

I figured (based on his comments in Star Wars Technical Commentaries) that Saxton, having read the Mandel blueprints long before he wrote Incredible Cross Sections, and having contact with Luceno for the writing of material like Incredible Cross Sections and Complete Locations, was the one who convinced Luceno to refer to the Imperial-class as the Imperator-class when Luceno started writing Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader.

 

Wait, really? I thought in legends the Victory Class was dominant between the Venator and Imperial.

 

They’re in the FFG stuff, I know.

 

They exist - they're mentioned in Tarkin - but the fact that they exist is pretty much all we really know at this point. The canon Wookieepedia page is filled with plenty of non-canon FFG references, no surprise there, and there's also an odd mention of VSDs appearing in Darth Vader #6 from 2015. The ships in DV6 that the Wook claims are VSDs do bear a resemblance, but in context it seems more likely to me they are supposed to be ISDs and Salvador Larocca either used the wrong reference material or just allowed himself some artistic license.

 

I wouldn't mind if the Victory got slightly redesigned in Bad Batch or somewhere else like the Dreadnaught did in Rebels, maybe making it look more inbetween a Venator and an ISD.

 

I rewatched the Mandalorian not too long ago, and I am starting to wonder if Din's ship is really named the Razor Crest or if it is just a razor crest type ship. At least, lots of people seem to refer to it as razor crest without being told its name and with Din apparently not flying with a transponder or anything. Plus, I could have sworn I heard at least one person say "a razor crest" when referring to it.

Or maybe Din is uncreative and just named his razor crest The Razor Crest.

 

I believe it is the class name...there is no reason that The Mythrol would know the personal name of the ship.

 

It kind of reminds me of how Boba/Jango's Slave 1 was so named because Jango stole it from a prison planet, and then neither of them ever bothered changing the name. It seems like Mandalorian bounty hunters aren't too creative when naming their ships.

 

Wook says that in Legends Jango named it Slave 1, but there's no footnote attached to that fact.

Nothing has been said about the name in canon yet.

 

Yeah, we were discussing it a while ago, and we looked up the cutscene from the Star Wars: Bounty Hunter video game. Jango just says "she's called Slave I" so it's not quite clear if that was the original name or if he came up with it on the spot.

 

My mistake, I always assumed that Slave 1 was the name given by the prison because it just sounds like the kind of naming scheme an infamous prison would use. I was part of that discussion so I should have remembered the part where Bounty Hunter is ambiguous about who named it.

 

In the early EU, the Imperial-class was implied to have shown up roughly a decade prior to ANH, with the Victory-class developed for the Clone Wars, and the Victory-class Mk. II coming out just after the war was over.
Saxton's loathing of the EU, coupled with his own independently-developed fan notions, dropped a bomb into the canon of the time with his contributions getting official sanction via the Incredible Cross Sections: Revenge of the Sith, where he pushed back the development of the ISD all the way to the Clone Wars. However, the New Essential Chronology fixed most of this by having a large number of VSDs being made towards the end of the Clone Wars and the Imperators being more of an 'experimental' class, and the VSDs dominated the Imperial Fleet for the first decade. (The Databank explicitly called them 'test-bed models' that at the end of the Clone Wars were only available to the New Order's elite).

The NEC has them released by the "Victor Initiative Project" 23 months after the Battle of Geonosis.
There's at least one novel referecnce; Dark Lord had the VSD Gallant lead the assault on Murkhana.

 

I think I asked this before, but do the two-engined and winged variants of the Victory-class correspond to the Victory-I and Victory-II designations?