ST Kylo Ren/Adam Driver Discussion Thread

Reminds me of those "don't hate me because I'm beautiful" commercials.

 

I honestly think Matt the Radar Technician might be a bigger cultural icon than Kylo Ren lol.

 

Okay. This brought up something toward the end that I've been wondering for some time. During his shirtless scene in TLJ, why doesn't Kylo Ren have a scar on his side from where Chewie shot him in TFA? That was a significant wound. He was bleeding into the snow and hitting himself. But, ya know, logic in the sequel films...



Of course, you know Star Wars is in a bad position with Darth Vader being succeeded by this guy as the villain. He had confusing relationships with everyone, and this video is right. His power level kept changing. Granted, he looked intimidating in his first scene in TFA. But comparing this to Palpatine in the prequel films and Tarkin in ANH, you know that they are intelligent to have attained that much power. So, how in the heck did Kylo Ren get that much power? Nepotism from Snoke (I mean, Palpatine)? Lol. I mean, he's just a poor man's Darth Vader. If he weren't portrayed by a good actor, he would be unwatchable. One has to wonder how his relationships with his parents went down. He seems to hate Han in TFA, and then in TLJ, he claims he did not hate him. But is he lying? It's like this trilogy. Baffling.

 

I never even thought of the stomach wound ha. Maybe Snoke took him to a faith healer. Maybe that explains why he had.his pants pulled up like Pee Wee Herman

 

Lol. I've wondered about it at times, but I chalked it up to Rian Johnson being inconsistent with TFA. For example, the scar on Kylo Ren's face is inconsistent.

One of the aspects I liked about Darth Vader's portrayal was the aura of mystery to his character. That's mainly because I was born in 1986, being thirty-five and all. I was not spoiled by seeing the prequels first. I recall being amazed that Vader as the sole Imperial survivor of the Battle of Yavin at the end of ANH. I even mistakenly believed that the Empire was destroyed and that Vader would be on his own in some way in the following film. Thus, I was shocked to see a Star Destroyer at the beginning of TESB. While watching TESB for the first time as a kid, I wondered why in the heck Vader was so obsessed with finding Luke Skywalker. I figured it was because Luke had destroyed the Death Star. However, after Vader's revelation near the end of the film, I was like, "Oh, it all makes sense now!" I was really intrigued by Vader's internal conflict in ROTJ, and I was joyfully astonished when he saved Luke from Palpatine in the end. I was like, "Oh, so this is what this character is really about."

I felt nothing akin to that while watching Kylo Ren. I didn't mind how he was portrayed in TFA. But I became increasingly uncomfortable with how he was written in TLJ. After he and Luke gave their explanation for his turn, I was like, "What? That's all? That's nothing!" Compared to Vader and Palpatine, Kylo Ren is a nothing villain. I'll never forget how uncomfortable my girlfriend and I were after we walked out of TROS. That's why we do not own Episodes VIII and IX. And Kylo Ren is a big part of it. I just watched R1 and TCW's Seasons 5, 6, and 7 last week, and I actually felt like I was watching Star Wars. And that's the problem with the Sequel Trilogy as a whole. It doesn't feel like Star Wars. It is a bad continuation to the Classic Trilogy, if you even consider it canon at all.

 

Okay, I'm 'off' posting here although I read, but you can see the scar quite clearly; there's a hole surrounded by what looked like burned scar tissue on his left side over the ribs; it's just visible above his waistband. If anyone is inclined and able to post a still from the 'shirtless' scene - I can't for some reason with my computer - you can quite clearly see it.
Also, I did read that they originally meant to leave the scar in the same place but the makeup was causing AD eye problems which was the real reason for the change.

 

I think the alter of the scar was to present Kylo Ren in a more aesthetically pleasing way. Instead of the large disfigure villain scar running diagonally across his face as he get in The Force Awakens, he gets a dashing hero scar that does not ruin his looks. I think that Rian believe this important for his story where he need to get Rey to become emotionally attached with him across the Force. He tried to write a story where it look like they are going to be friends or even lovers, only to turn away from each other at the end. This didn't really works because the Last Jedi is the very next day, and they were bitter enemies in film before.

 

Interesting.

When Ren ordered General Hux to "finish this," Hux should have said, "Finish this? Generals are dangerous, and just now, Supreme Leaders are dying like flies."

 

Kylo's

Spoiler

wound:

 

If makeup for a facial scar was too hard for him to act with, he'd have been screwed if he had to do Anakin's burn makeup.....

 

(From a now deleted tweet)

 

The idea that staying true to the injury Kylo got in TFA would *necessitate* a “goofy” scar is absurd and was either a lie or a revelation that RJ knew nothing about movie makeup.

 

The scar wound was definite changed to makes more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Instead of an ugly villainous scar he got a dashing pirate scar instead.

 

It is interesting about the scar. I didn’t notice til it was pointed out but it’s hard to unsee it now.
Now that you mention it it did seem much more like a karmic moment for a bad guy when Kylo was lying scarred in the snow. The metaphor was pretty prevalent and it is indeed a huge contrast to TLJ.

 

RJ inherited the placement of the scar from TFA, and he therefore had to decide how to make it look once it was slightly more "healed." Unfortunately, RJ's primary focus was on trying to see how sexy/attractive he could make Kylo. I can see why that created a problem for RJ.... it's hard to make a scar like Kylo received attractive (by Hollywood standards, that is). From his perspective, it looked goofy. It's not a goofy scar at all, though, if you are trying to show Kylo as the monster he is. Did people think it looked "goofy" in TFA? I don't remember that ever being a complaint. This is just point #509 of how RJ's priorities were completely off for these characters.

 

I thought when I saw TFA that Kylo killing Han meant he was going full darkside and the disfiguring scar meant his Romeo in black jeans days were over. But nope.

 

He changed the placement of the scar because he thought it looked "goofy"? I mean, he's the only one I've ever heard say that. I never once heard any criticism regarding Kylo's scar in TFA. What a weird, little thing to pointlessly change.

Or could it be because Johnson himself believed women, namely Rey, wouldn't find him romantically palpable with the TFA scar? Is that really it? He prettied up the villain for the hero?! Ugh...