Lit Poll: the First Order, or the Fel Dynasty with Imperial Knights?

Thrawn planed to STAVE Trillions of people or kill billions if one got through the shields. Textbook example of "thrawn isn't as good as fans make out"

So? He still attacks a libary while Daala attacked shipyards and training facilities. She was smart enough to know the war she was fighting while Thrawn wasn't it. They couldn't take and hold stuff so attack key parts, just because Thrawn is still deluding himself as to the state of the galaxy doesn't make him better.

That only happened due to fan (and certain authors), pushing that view. Daala does a lot more for the Empire (uniting it, letting aliens and women in, even fighting really evil moff [which Pellaeon defended with his forces keep in mind]) than Thrawn. Yet she gets no credit, while Thrawn is lauded and Pellaeon gets the credit instead, while doing nothing.

 

The library in question gave him the location of Wayland, which was key to his war effort.

Daala's forces didn't just attack "shipyards and training facilities" - they attacked neutral alien diplomatic embassies, (and prior to Darksaber, Daala attacked the Dantooine colony, pretty pointlessly, for practice, potentially throwing away the advantage of surprise for the campaign as a whole, as she herself admits), they attacked a neutral world purely because one Jedi came from there (Khomm) - and so forth.

I would agree that Daala deserves credit for making the Empire less prejudiced (moving it in a direction of oppressing its own worlds less) - but I can't agree that she was less destructive in her choices of targets, rather than more destructive, than Thrawn was.

This is, IMO, why the New Republic and the Jedi seem to paint Daala as "worse than Thrawn" - not just authorial fiat, but a real difference.

The Imperial Remnant seem to dislike her because her campaigns gained them nothing and threw away lots of troops in the process - whereas Thrawn's campaigns nearly doubled the size of the Remnant, and didn't lose large numbers of troops in the process.



To sum up - Thrawn is admired, by both sides, for his efficiency. Daala, disliked, by both sides, for wastefulness.

 

Well I´m not sure where they took that from but I´ve seen several youtuber make that assumption. Usually those who haven`t read the books and genuinley like Nilfgaard, so I guess its wishfull thinking.

But CDPR has added this piece of lore via the Gwent Game:
https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/Iron_Judgment

Which also lines up with the Books because they state the Witchhunts will last until 1276 and Phillipa will eventually be killed in them. Plus Gwent also explicitly mentions Movran Vooris and Jan Calveit as Emhyrs succesors, like they are in the books.

Also as mentioned there are comics set after Witcher 3 that show Ciri as a Witcher and the Church of Eternal Fire still in existence, a religion Nilfgaard actually whipes out if they win.

 

And that makes it ok? That makes it fine for him to invade the planet kill however many people, rather than say, send in commandos to get the information.

The Dantooine was a test to see how her forces worked in combat. It is evil, but there is a point to it, as she herself says.

She was waging a terrorist campaign. Terror was part of the point. She isn't good, but she had a plan.

But she doesn't get that credit. It is given to others. So many give it Pellaeon or say that it was really Thrawn, when the text shows nothing of the sort, at best Pellaeon let the reforms continue in some cases, but doing nothing to stop them failing in practice.

But there isn't a real difference other than Daala lasted longer and accomplished things while Thrawn died and it all fell apart. Daala could resign and hand off to a successor and it all kept going, that is something no other imperial leader before could do.

This is just totally false. After Thrawn died all his territory was lost. Nothing he took was held. The Emperor did some lasting damage to the NR but not Thrawn. Daala on the other hand united the Empire and kept it as a unified state.

The Moffs don't like her because she is a woman, plain and simple. Thrawn might be an alien, but he isn't TOO alien and is male and also dead.

Thrawn isn't efficient though, he is dumb. he never uses his resources well outside the stealth rocks.

Daala ended up as leader of the Galaxy. I think you need to rethink your statement.

But we are off topic, so we can just leave it be.

 

It is interesting to think of the Empire as Reverse Germany

if the Sith are the Nazi’s and the military as the equally bad conservative Prussian elite.

that makes Baron Fel the Kaiser

 

I don't know about that. I think the Sith might be the Prussian, or teutonic knights. Since the Sith order is more inclusive than the Empire. Sith thinking doesn't really seem to affect the Empire much in legends.

 

Based on the comics, movies, etc, I'd be vastly safer around the Imperial Knights of the Felpire, than around the Knights of Ren of the First Order - vastly safer meeting Roan Fel than meeting Snoke or Palpatine. Roan Fel (until years of war corrupted him) was a vastly better, more stable, and less evil person than Palpatine, Snoke, or Kylo were.

That's why I prefer the Felpire to the First Order.


If "Roan Fel at the end of the Legacy period, right before he dies" is used however, there's not much to choose between "using Omega Red" and "using Starkiller Base" - but at least the Imperial Knights are around to kill a fallen Fel and stop him - whereas no-one was around to stop Starkiller Base. Still makes the Felpire look better.

Agreed - I've created a new thread for "Daala compared to Thrawn" - so the off-topic conversation can be taken there.

 

- accidental post.

 

Roan only took the Omega Red option to kill the Sith when nothing else seemed to, it was a ruthless and dumb movie, but not one done out of malice. Unlike the leaders of the FO.

Yes, would have been good if you had called the thread that.

 

I wonder if

Spoiler

the return of Thrawn, and his style of Empire

will be the closest equivalent to the Fel Empire in the new canon.

At first, I thought it might have been the direction they were going to taking Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati.

 

I don't think so.

Spoiler

Given that Thrawn is painted as evil in the show I don't see why he would be the "Grey" Empire.

 

Is he? More like a competent, wiser, more cautious Imperial who seeks to preserve life when possible.

 

Yes he is. He is
[spoilers]
working with witches and using zombies. That is pretty evil.

 

The First Order they dont have Force Sensitives and the Imperial Knights have Cool White Lightsabers and the Fel Empire are Good Guys i prefer the Fel Empire