Mini Series Official "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Um no it isn’t. It’s Sith yellow (or orange ) literally the entire time.

 

Well its lighter in color anyway:

 

Can we please stop treating people who have fallen to the Dark Side as if they have multiple personality disorder?

Anakin is'nt *within* Vader, suppressed and buried. Anakin IS Vader, he just gave into the Dark Side, rejected his past life and changed his name. They're literally the same person.

Not to mention, even if it did, yellow eyes are'nt consistent; even Vader himself does'nt have them all the time after falling in ROTS.

 

Not all Darksiders have duality, Bane, Palpatine, and etc didn’t. Vader is an exception.

Its not either or, that all are duality, some are, Vader and Kylo Ren in specific, because they converted to dark side for different reasons than most Sith. They did it over relationships, fear of loss, and pain, while usually darksiders fall over lust for power, deeper knowledge, and desire to bring order and rule.

 

What’s interesting is if he does feel regret he can’t afford to break away from his existence. He’s a slave all his life.

 

Vader definitely has Sith eyes in both pictures. But for what it’s worth I remember Filoni doing a behind the scenes featurette thing either for TCW or Rebels where he’s discussing how light can be used to express emotion. In his example he had animation of Darth Maul and he pointed out how the positioning of the white reflected light on the eyeball (i think they had a word for it) can convey different emotions. That when Maul is sad or contemplative, it’s lower on the eyes, when he’s angry or menacing, it’s high on the eye. And how much of the iris/pupil that can be seen, etc

In Vader there, there is definitely two different emotions between the two pictures.

I’d love to, except for the fact that George himself decided to go back and make Force Ghost Anakin young because that’s the age he was when Anakin died.

It’s not all people that fell, it’s only Anakin, and I’m only following the voiced intent of people like George and Dave who create the stories.


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I thought so, thanks for sharing this.

 

No, none of them do; the whole "duality" concept is a brainbug based on the philosophical beliefs of the Jedi and Sith, and essentially only exists so that people can rationalize away the bad actions of whatever specific Dark Side characters they stan for by removing their agency for those actions.

Vader is'nt a mage from Dragon Age who got possessed by a fade demon; he's Tom Riddle changing his name to Voldemort to reject his past when he starts doing evil things.

And I'm going off the actual canon, which trumps even what the creator says behind the scenes.

And Anakin could have chosen to look like an Ewok if he wanted; him chowing to manifest in the mortal realm as his young, handsome past self rather then the burnt-out limbless near-corpse he became (or what he *hypothetically might* have looked like had he aged without suffering his accident) does'nt mean anything more then that he wanted to take that form.

 

No one is saying Vader is possessed of a demon or that he didn’t make his decisions. Duality isn’t disassociation, its that people can have different feelings, thoughts, and etc at the same time. Saying Anakin is still there means the peraon he use to be, the kid warrior, but Vader has been part of him too, we all have light and dark sides, but choices made in either light or dark are ours, we have to own the light and dark. What makes Vader intriguing is Anakin is buried in there, and that Vader is in Anakin.

 

I have no idea what you’re getting at. You say you’re going by the canon, then proceed to offer head canon speculation that the ghost can manifest as whatever they want.

It’s a fiction in which when someone with a magical power does something evil, they become addicted to it and get demon eyes, and have to swear off attachments lest they become greedy and lost forever. While “normal” characters don’t have this issue.

But the idea of two competing personalities existing in these evil-drunk wizards is too far? This is the same canon that now establishes that all the Sith exist in one person or in which Luke who refused to kill his mass murderer father, raised a blade against his sleeping nephew . I don’t like that, but I accept it.




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Re: Pau'ans, the GI is a young man whereas the Pau'ans we see in ROTS are older ones. This is "headcanon," but I find this is a totally acceptable reason for the discrepancy in looks.

 

@TaradosGon That Jedi have to swear off attachments is itself a headcanon, and that Luke tried to kill Ben is a flat-out misrepresentation of that scene.

Granted, admittedly I was being a bit sarcastic with what I said about Anakin, but the point is he's a ghost made out of the Force with God like power, and given that most force spirits take the form they had when they died so obviusly Anakin is *choosing* his form to be different from the norm.

The point is split personalities - like Grey Jedi - is fanon, plain and simple; if "the good man who was your father was destroyed" Luke would have never been able to save Anakin, and if Vader and Anakin were different psyches Vader would'nt hate himself or identify himself as Luke's father. Heck if you lose your personality when you fall to the Dark Side they're would'nt be a point to Anakin or Kylo's arcs since they would'nt be responsible for anything they did while "possessed" or "controlled by their other personality" or whatever (which is the whole reason this concept exists in the first place amid the fandom). It's not that it's "to far" for me, it's just stright-up not what the canon (unless I'm forgetting or missing something) says.

Jedi and Sith very clearly believe in a change of personality post-fall; but that's all it is, a philosophical belief of their religions which they personally believe in - even in-universe the general public does'nt share that view.

He could also just have a different body type; I'm not as tall and lanky as Doug Jones and we have different head shapes, but where both still members of the same species.

Okay, so then what makes him different from a normal person?

Becuase everyone in the world is like that.

 

I think it’s very plausible that the four scos can appear however they want Obi-Wan wanted to he could appear as his younger self if Yoda wanted to you could have some luscious hair. They probably choose to appear as Luke last saw them other than Anakin cause I don’t think he wants to appear without his limbs.

 

Speech-to-text?

 

Yep! One of my thumbs hurts so I feel lazy I try to double check though

 

The funny thing of course is that on a board like this it's immediately clear what you meant--even without sentence context!

 

Honestly speech to text isn’t much better than my normal typing since my grammar sucks. Lol.
Anyway to get back on topic who do you think was helping Haja? Since he sent Obi Wan to someone

 

Not seeing it. Just because Ahsoka thinks she got thru to Anakin, that doesn't actually mean she did. There's no gray eyes there. At best there's stunned disbelief that she actually sliced his mask off. But that's not Anakin. It's teasing that there's a man under there, that maybe one day, Luke will be able to get through, as we know he will. But that man is still currently evil. He didn't become Anakin for a minute and then was Vader again.

 

Oops, you're right, thanks for reminding me! I think I'm getting these Inquisitors confused with the Sith Inquisitors from TOR. Never watched Rebels or played Fallen Order. And I suppose I'm not used to seeing red sabered, force-wielding baddies who arn't "Darths"...

I still stand by my opinion that they are lame villains though.

 

Honestly I would have to agree the inquisitors outside the grand inquisitor in the first season of rebels have been pretty lame. Fall in order of did try though

 

Relevent to the earlier discussion of the Inquistors (or was it Reva specifically?) being "to pretty" for Dark Siders, I had a literal shower thought about that just now were the memory of Sigvald the Magnificent from Warhammer, Hela, Sauron in his angelic form, basically any version of Morgan Le Fey/Morgana (Mirren, HBC, Green, Hurley, McGrath, take your pick - heck, at least one of them was only ugly *before* she became evil!), and, you know, SATAN.

Evil magic users need not be ugly (on the outside); I mean, back when I was younger I had a huge crush a certain evil pyromaniacal princess. Only thing ugly about here was her attitude.

I mean, force ghosts *are* the Force, and their "more powerful" then even someone like Vader can "possibly imagine." Even if you ingore that Anakin looking younger even though every other ghost looks the age they were when they died implies the form is a choice, we see (or rather hear) ghost Obi-Wan use both his younger and older voices and even living Force users can make use of illusionism and even regenerate themselfs to a younger form.

Don't feel bad; I don't even really put any effort into policeing my spelling at all

That's fair.

With a few exceptions they've always kinda been that (Jerec in Legends is really the only one whose anything like an actual Sith). Granted "lame" is subjective but their clearly supposed to be to SW what Death Eaters are to Harry Potter (heck, they're even led by Jason Isaacs in rebels!) and, in general, their plot purpose is to provide Dark Side foes who the heroes can reasonably handle since Palpatine or Vader would be overkill.

Of course, the heroes in question tend to be a fair bit below Obi-Wan's level (even if we factor in that Obi-Wan is clearly out of practice by this point)

I still like Jerec more, but that's not becuase of characterization and more becuase they just let Christopher Naeme ham it up so much.

 

Anakin explicitly says attachment is forbidden to Padme in AOTC. I don’t mean to derail this thread into a ST topic, though I’m curious as to how it’s a misrepresentation. He drew his weapon over his sleeping nephew out of fear, and he said he immediately felt shame. Luke did not “try” to kill Ben, because he never actually swung at him, but he definitely was holding a weapon and contemplating that he had the power to prevent the dark future that he sensed.

I’m not advocating for the idea that they are literally two different people. This isn’t Norman Osborn pleading with Spider-Man to help him before the Green Goblin returns.

I understand it is one person, but the imagery surrounding the good and bad side of a single person are personified as two different people, and it has been that way since ESB (retroactively ANH once it was established that Vader and Anakin were the same).

The two persons exist more as metaphors or images (there might be a better word for it, but I can’t think of it).

Vader is never good and Anakin is never bad. The evil and good sides of the same person are given two different names. When Vader is called Anakin by Luke he gets angry. When Ahsoka mentions Anakin to Vader, Vader says Anakin was weak and that he destroyed Anakin, referring to his past life as a separate entity.

I understand that he’s not literally two different people. And yes, Vader and Kylo are really the only two characters like this. Palpatine was always Palpatine, Maul was always Maul, Count Dooku remained Count Dooku even after he fell, he didn’t disown that name or talk about it in the third person.

And so any “good” thought: love, regret, compassion is personified as “Anakin.” When Vader shows restraint against Luke it comes through as conflict. Luke refers to Vader as once having been Anakin in the past tense, and refers to it as his true self.

There’s obviously something there is Vader that Luke can sense, and that Ahsoka could sense, even fleetingly, that Obi-Wan no longer could by the time of ANH, but possibly could during the time period of this show.


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i mean that's why they were created. They've got them so the rebels could outfox them week to week instead of Vader.

 

Very true but The mythology and the hierarchy of them is so interesting, that i wish they just didn't become cannon fodder like Stormtroopers