Mini Series Obi-Wan Kenobi - Part 3 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I definitely think it's unnecessary, but whatever.

 

Reason this doesn’t particularly bother me is cause in the end the troopers DO corner Obi Wan and force him to attack and break his cover, and he wouldn’t have gotten away without the one character coming to help. Plus it’s revealed the driver suspected them all along and brought them to a checkpoint where they could be apprehended. The scenes preceding work as for me as buildup to that. Doesn’t make them less stupid, but it does make it so that the stormtroopers’ stupidity isn’t the mechanism by which they’re able to slip by, which IMO makes the overall scenes work. They’re ultimately (almost) captured because they’re completely outgunned

really IMO it’s Obi wan who’s the dumb one in the situation for giving up so quickly on the rendez vous point. If they had established that they had been waiting a while then I think that could’ve rectified it

 

Obi Wan never trusted the plan to begin with and is frustrated with the whole situation. I’m not surprised he gave up on it immediately

 

yeah. I don’t think it “excuses” poor plotting/production in current SW projects per se, but it does put in perspective that there’s never been some form of SW immune to these things. Many of the flaws ppl talk about here with these series, while I don’t disagree that they exist necessarily, just don’t register to me as all that important as long as the underlying story/character work is there. And in this case I think it absolutely is. Many things in the OT would be written off similarly if released today for sure.

plus this is Disney we’re talking about… peak corporate entertainment lol. I think some of it comes with the territory

 

Nail. Head.

This is an unnecessary series that is being shoe-horned into canon.

But I'm glad it's happening and am very much enjoying this series because I'm a Star Wars nerd like that and it's genuinely good thus far.

 

If somehow only episodes I-III existed and then this came out next it would be absolutely vital and necessary for many. The fates of all these characters wouldn’t be assured and the dramatic tension would ratchet up heavily. That’s how you know the overarching story is good. It’s just that all of us know who lives so it’s just like reading a spoiler in advance. Their main story idea following the events of episode III are all logical and flow nicely off of it. I would argue that alongside performances Its one of Kenobi’s strengths.

 

Yeah, the Jedi Order recruiting it’s members as infants and toddlers always seemed like a weird (bad) world building choice to me, even as a kid. I get the whole ‘no attachments’ thing, but still it seems a little…extreme. Since the Jedi are the good guys, I would be surprised if the writers explored it further. (They wouldn’t, would they?) If they did though, I would be totally on board.

 

I don't understand the whole " this story doesn't need to be told" argument. If it's because we know where things end up anyway, then basically any story that takes place before the OT didn't need to be made because we know where the story ends up. The stories we are getting now are for fun and world building and it just helps things in established stories make more sense. Rouge One helped the flaw in the first Death Star make more sense. The Obi-Wan Kenobi show has already made a few things in ANH make more sense and it's only three episodes in. I'm all about this show and I'm impatiently waiting for the next episode!

 

That’s pretty much how I feel. I’m having a lot of fun watching this, but I am aware it’s pretty unnecessary.

The main appeal of this for me was getting to see Ewan and Hayden reprise their roles but with a different director and writer, as I wasn’t really a fan of the acting in the prequels (although I’ve warmed up to some of it over the years). So far I really like Ewan in this, and I am dying to see if I’ll like Hayden’s performance as Anakin, if we ever get a scene where he’s unmasked.

 

Yea the whole "this story didn't need to be told" argument is weak. Basically none of the stories after the OT needed to be told, but they have been and we enjoy spending more time in the galaxy.

 

When the prequels were released we knew how it would all end, but seeing the "how" was fascinating. We had never seen the jedi at their height, the old republic etc...

When i talk about "stories that didnt need to be told" regarding Kenobi, i mean that there never was any specific questions about what happened to him during his tatooine days. And we had no idea he had this adventure rescuing leia and confronting Vader again. So the problem to me is that it feels as an afterthought, somehing artificially created to justify its existence, not an organic story.

Of course it's always cool to hang around in the SW universe. But exploring and retconning every moments of every iconic character runs the risk of diluating the whole thing.

That being said, i appreciate this series. But i know i do for the return of mcgregor, the worldbuilding and so on...but i cant help thinking its story feels a bit contrived and artificial.

 

I'm just wondering what those things are. Not bring snarky, I just genuinely can't think of anything that never made sense to me.

 

All the Darth Vader scenes were epic. Loved it.

 

Just wait to see what they have planned next...

 

Been a long while since i posted but loving this show especially how OWK has been portrayed so far as a defunct Jedi, out of touch with his powers and a tortured soul riddled with guilt and remorse. Looking forward to his own redemption and can see him in a bacta tank next episode and in deep meditation where Qui Gon finally communicates with him. Really looking forward to last 3 episodes and seeing OWK find his way back to his true self as a Jedi Master.....gonna be epic

Also thought the actress playing Leia who has been good in episodes 1-2 really stepped it up in this episode and was excellent

 

And look how well received the three movies that take place after the OT are.

 

The only content outside of the 1970s or 1980s that has received both critical acclaim and above 6.5 out of 10 love from the internet on RT & IMDB (a place which includes the politically motivated, trolls, and neither of those and are just fans who just don’t like a lot of new works) are ROTS, The Force Awakens, Rogue One and Mandalorian. Solo comes close and saw a bounce back audience score when more people saw it on Disney + and the RT Audience score there now sits at 64%.

Kenobi is presently too low to qualify for this with a 59% on RT from audience score (despite a 7.9 audience score on IMDB and 88% from rotten tomatoes TV critics) but it’s been rallying after episode 3 and that rally seems likely to continue in a similar fashion for Kenobi as what happened with Solo. I don’t see the same happening for the 59% RT audience score of BOBF. I can see Kenobi making it above 65% by the time it’s all done.

Both shows are much higher on IMDB than RT because it’s slightly harder to review bomb IMDB. This is the case for many Star Wars works. If using IMDB score for audience score and RT for critical score (which imo seems to be a better reflection of general society) the content climbs significantly to include AOTC( 6.5) Solo (6.9) (Kenobi (7.9), BOBF (7.4), TLJ (6.9 there) and even TROS sneaks in with a 6.5 there because each of those also had above 65% critical acclaim on RT to go along with those above 6.5 IMDB scores.

 

Could be.

During that scene I figured she stumbled her way across the entrance because she's very observant and quick minded. Something looked out of place so she followed the hunch through to it's conclusion.

If she drew the insignia on the wall because she had been there before, why would the Empire have let it continue to function? As soon as she turned Inquisitor would she not have revealed it's location when she was old enough to remember? Seems odd that it's still been allowed to smuggle Jedi all these years.

If she successfully made it through to Jabiim and got a new identity did the Empire find her there or elsewhere? The Fifth Brother tells her that she "came to us from the gutter" which could mean that she was found another way during the Empire's search for force sensitives.

 

I liked it but something about a Vader vs. Kenobi rematch taking place in a budget friendly dirt town just felt off. The quiet allusions to Padme are my favorite thing about the series thus far, more so than the driving action.

 

I don’t know spoilers for the show. This speculation is a total long shot and probably not what’s going to happen… But… What if Reva is actually pulling a long con to kill Darth Vader? Her goal is to create a moment when Vader’s guard is down and she can surprise attack him. (Sort of a Ki’ra vs Dryden Vos moment like in Solo)

Spoiler: More wild speculation thats gets wilder

That plays out one of two ways. 1) Reva is more or less a Jedi (on the side of the good guys) who is deep undercover as an inquisitor. 2) Reva is a Sith wanna be and has ambitions to replace Vader as the apprentice. Maybe she is working for Palpatine, maybe it’s her own ambitions.

Either way Reva being recruited from the gutter is part of the scam, as she would already be much better trained than she lets on.

What would really be wild is if a group of Jedi survivors are behind this and it’s Rebel Jedi who are responsible for unwittingly putting Luke and Leia in danger. Maybe the end goal is luring Vader into a trap where a group of the best remaining Jedi attack him. And perhaps Vader let Obi-Wan escape because he sees where this could be leading.

What would be totally crazy is if the Rebel Jedi plot comes together in a way where if it succeed it’s more dangerous for Luke and Leia. So in the end it’s Obi-Wan saving Darth Vader and killing Jedi to protect the twins.

That’s just me typing out loud. Not saying I believe or expect this. Probably too convoluted. And only three episodes left. Especially Obi-Wan fighting Jedi to help Vader. Then again that would be an unexpected twist on Vaders ‘I was but the learner line’. It’s not about power, it’s because Vader falls for a trap when Obi-Wan doesn’t. And Obi-Wan rescues Vader.

Imagine the two of them briefly fighting together again against a common foe.

Wild speculation over.

 

Maybe I missed this somewhere in the first episodes, but do we know what exactly the Organas have told Leia about her real parents (if anything)? I'd assume OWK would know this, which leads me to wonder if he should be talking to Leia about her at all? Knowing ten year olds as I do (I have a daughter the same age), as soon as he told her he knew her, she'd want to know her name, and everything else he knew about her. Having the resources she does at home, you'd think she'd be able to research her mother pretty easily (has the Empire stricken Padme from the records?). We know that doesn't happen, but it seems pretty far fetched for a kid as inquisitive as Leia not to lean on Kenobi for all he knows.

This is the only issue I've had with anything from the series, so far. I don't like that Reva knows who Vader really is, but I'm guessing there's a good reason for it that will be revealed. My kids and I have loved the shows so far and wait anxiously for next Wednesday.

 

There's no doubt that this is The Rematch Part 1. This was like Rocky/Lang I. The real battle will be in the finale.

 

very intriguing. I was confused how Reva got to the end of the tunnel before Leia, so your theory is interesting.

 

Now that I think of it I believe they did explore this idea in the game Jedi: Fallen Order.

Spoiler

My memory is hazy but I think at the end of Fallen Order, Cal has found a map to the locations of many Force sensitive kids. Initially he planned to use this map to find these kids and rebuild the Jedi order but I think he decides against it because he thinks it's a bit dodgy recruiting kids to fight a galactic war, or (maybe he thought that tracking those kids down would be putting a bullseye on their back?). Either way he decides against contacting the Force sensitive kids.