ST Rian Johnson (Director Of TLJ) Discussion Thread

That's a pretty vague statement. It's one thing to provoke inspiration, awe, bliss, agony, resolution and so many more emotions, and it's another thing to want to make people angry and shocked. I don't care for shock value, just for the sake of shock value, and one that does not progress the story in Star Wars. I might appreciate it in movies like Irreversible or anything Lars Von Trier has ever done, but in Star Wars it seems out of place to me.

I have 100 better reasons why RJ should never direct and/or write anything in Star Wars again than the gross breast scene.
I think I am still allowed to express an opinion about that scene, even if I never said that he should be banned from Star Wars because of it.

 

And I think Snoke isn't a character of any kind, and has no real reason to personally exist as a character, having no real motive, goals or origin. This isn't Palpatine in ROTJ, where he's an evil space wizard who rose to power in the past of this universes history that the audience is introduced in the middle of and he's killed, the end. There's nothing given for how or why Snoke exists within the overall story after the Emperor was already destroyed, as a sequel to the OT's events. It's nothing, like so much of the character structures in this movie, to me. I think the characters aren't characters, but mostly an idea of a character, with not a lot else going on.

I'm reminded of something I saw, a tweet, back around the time Black Panther came out, and I wanna say Rian Johnson tweeted it, but I'm not sure, and I think it was basically, paraphrasing:

"This is the second time this year Andy Serkis character was killed off to make way for a better villain."

Or something like that. And I kinda thought, 'wow, not only do I find that insulting to Black Panther to compare it to TLJ, I think it's insulting to the villain of Killmonger.' As I think Killmonger is a real character and villain, who has real, sturdy, motives, goals and an origin, as a character, to the point where my mom was agreeing with him, in his motive. That's how you write a character and a villain, to me. I think Killmonger is an actual compelling character and villain and that Kylo isn't, and has little to no weight in comparison to Snoke.

I'll say this as well: I think Andy Serkis' character in Black Panther (Klaue, I think), I think, has way more personality, than Snoke, to me, in TLJ, somehow, I think, he even has less personality, in parts, to me, than he did in some of his scenes in TFA.

I think to compare the 2 movies is out the league of TLJ, in more ways than one, particularly in that it also has it's protagonist, even if I think his intensity is reeled back from Civil War, be a character with a voice, have a lesson to learn and seek to actually move forward in his movie, with the way he was raised. Golly, I think it's almost like the movie cares about it's main character.

 

I didn't.

Luke is never once developed to ever drink from an animal as farmboy in the OT. I don't have really any memory of any farmer, like that, drinking from an animal straight up.

 

If he wanted to evoke the earth practice of milking a cow, he would have given the thing udders instead of four human boobs. RJ must think boobs are funny because there's also that creepy looking opera singer bug lady at the casino whose whole body was basically a bunch of boobs.

 

Homelander

 

There are no animals on the Lars homestead.

But it's not the worst shot in the movie, that's the use of the growing seed out of a 70s school movie (or the opening credits of The X-Files) to explain the Force, which we never needed before.

 

Why is that the worst, to me its best with Kenobi explain the force.

 

Homelander, to my knowledge, isn't a farmer, and is also a deranged psycho. And I don't watch that show.

 

A ten cent, unneeded visual in the middle of a modern blockbuster, which so many people told me was the most beautiful SW evah. Which, spoiler alert, it isn't. Personal taste but to me, it's dumb as hell. Why do we need it?

 

I like it personell to seeing the Ach-To planet life witch explaining the force.

 

No. I didn't like Rian's version of what balance means. And he wants the force to be about that, so Kylo can be off the hook. His darkness is all natural, baby. Part of the balance of the galaxy. Just like this flower growing in stop animation.

 

Light and dark and balance has always been there.

 

No. It has not. Not the way RJ professes it.

The light and the dark were not equals. The force wasn't in balance because there were two sides of force users.

Death isn't the dark side. Death is part of the light side. It's part of the natural cycle the universe. Cheating death to live forever, or bringing people back is the dark side. And is not in balance with the force or the universe.

 

Balance under Lucas was the Sith not existing anymore.

 

I didnt take it as it eas meant to be unbalance, but part of the dark side, death and decay is natural part of the dark side and light is part of overcom7ng it. Death is a natural part id the force as Yoda says, and thats bith light and dark.

 

Death and decay are not the dark side. They happen naturally within the universe. You are misreading what death is, because of it represents an end, or sadness, or 'negative' feelings. You (and RJ) have totally misunderstood what the dark side actually is. The dark side is not natural. It's unnatural.

 

Death is natrual part of the force yess but where lie the light and dark is the question. The light is accept it and rejoice for your loved ones. The dark is the horror of death of a loved and doing all you can to save them. And I read somewhere where GL said Dark side is a natural part of the force, its the sith who abuse its power. We see the nightsisters is using the dark side as its intended and not abuse it. I think Mortis arc of the Clone Wars shows this perfectly.

I think i understand pretty it well.

 

No. You're moving the goal posts now. RJ posits that there's a balance to the universe, a cycle, of life and death, of light and darkness. That one brings about the other. The Jedi will create Sith. And back again. For eternity. Which is part of why Luke refuses to part of the cycle and wants to end the Jedi.

And just as you said previously, "death and decay is natural part of the dark side", you are wrong. Death is a natural part of the universe. It doesn't work against the universe. It's not greedy, nor evil. It's certainly not the 'dark side'. (Murder is, but not death itself) The dark side is not natural. It's unnatural. There's no natural part of the dark side.

Sith, and dark siders, abuse the force, to achieve selfish greedy desires that go against the natural order of the universe. That is the dark side. Whatever goes against the natural order of the universe. The Jedi work within the natural order of the universe, and obey the force's commands, listen to it, but can also control it when needed. That's balance.

For Lucas balance meant harmony. What was in harmony with the universe was the light side. The dark side was not in harmony with the universe. And death and decay are not unnatural, or the dark side.

 

Like i said Mortis arc shows it can just be light or dark. Like Father says to Anakin too mutch light or dark would be undoing of the galaxy. And most darksiders abuse the dark side yess but nightsisters live natural with the darkside. The natural part of the force is light and dark. TCW goes into it. Dark side is a part of it, like Ying and Yang or in Star Wars terms, the Ashla and Bogen as Bendu tells Kanan in Rebels. Death and Decay is part of both light and dark. Its matters where you with it in the force. Its all all part of the life cicle. Both are sides of a coin.

 

Okay so this has nothing to do with RJ anymore? Got it.

You're mostly speaking in circles at this point and it's hard to understand anything you're saying. And so you're going to need to start pulling actual quotes from the franchise or from Lucas that agree with your philosophy.

 

It goes with RJ philosophy of the force. And I can put the qoutes from both Clone wars and Rebels. That deals with what I said in Mortis and Bendu. RJ watched Mortis for example. In how he views the force in TLJ. I might have to search little longer for the GL qoutes.

 

Outside of yourself and RJ, please quote anyone, Luke, Yoda, Obi-wan, the Deathsticks Kid, Lucas, that says that" Death and Decay are the natural part of the dark side". This is what you originally said, along with "light and dark and balance has always been there"

 

No one has said that right qoute just yet, but similar qoutes about the dark side by GL and Filoni, even Freddy Prince said something similar. I meant death decay part of the force, not part of the dark side, but dark side is natrual part of the force.

 

“You’ve got the dark side and the light side. One is selfless. One is selfish. And you want to keep them in balance. What happens when you go to the dark side is that it goes out of balance.”

"I wanted to have this mythological footing because I was basing the films on the idea that the Force has two sides, the good side, the evil side, and they both need to be there. Most religions are built on that...”

"The idea of positive and negative, that there are two sides to an entity, a push and a pull, a yin and a yang, and the struggle between the two sides are issues of nature that I wanted to include in the film."

"The Force has two sides - [Light and Dark]. It is not a [inherently] malevolent or a benevolent thing. It has a bad side to it, involving hate and fear, and it has a good side, involving love, charity, fairness and hope."

“The dark side is always there, it is experienced daily by people. It’s like a huge cancer, alive, festering – both a reminder of the moral state and, at the same time symptom and symbol of a very sick society”