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There were at least a few people that worked on the Batgirl movie, right?

 

you missed the part where they said the movie isn't up to the standard they want and they aren't spending more money on it, which is not what they think of The Flash
Batgirl was going to HBOMAX , which will not recoup their money and The Flash is a theatrical release.
All things that have been written down previously .apples and oranges really are different things.

 

Miller’s career is over, all that’s left is this movie. Hard to imagine he’s part of the public PR push. Put Keaton and other actors out in front of this thing.

They’re still getting paid right?

 

I believe Warner Bros/Discovery sees it at this - they couldn't make back 90 million on HBOMax subs for Batgirl so they wrote it off and took 20 million instead (as mentioned there's a mid-August deadline for the tax writeoff for some reason). They believe they can make back the 300 million on The Flash (which after advertising and stuff is probably like 400 million) so they need the movie to make, like, 600-700 million worldwide ala Thor Love and Thunder which apparently they think is doable. They are fairly different situations from the accounting/return on investment perspective.

I do however think that WB is just playing "la la la I'm not listening" to all the stuff going on with Miller right now though. "We still have 10 months, it'll be fine!"

 

If theaters decide to boycott the Flash movie, could WB still make up the money?

I wonder how the marketing will work out. Maybe they'll decide to forgo showing any bits of the lead character, and instead remind people with teases of both Keaton and his '89 Batmobile.

 

Why would the struggling movie theater industry whose only steady life line right now is Super Hero movies boycott the Flash movie?

If WB’s heads are buried in the sand the exhibitors are right there with them.

 

Whole countries are boycotting certain movies, so it may not be such a stretch for certain theaters in the States to think twice about it.

 

So, does Miller have blackmail material on the Warner Bros. execs or something?

 

Goddamn it really is a catch-22.

 

Yes, I Are. You really have to think of it from a business perspective. Like imagine if the prior executives had shot a whole movie introducing the world to Batgirl, online hype was building up about it, and the film was already well into post-production. Would you just--

Oh, wait.

 

there is a significant money differential between the 300 million in the Flash where they can conceivably make their money back in a theatrical release vs the 90 million (plus the 20 million they got by writing it off) where they weren't going to make the 90 million back based upon HBOMax subs. This isn't also to say that WB's plan of "just ignore Miller's crime spree and hopes it blows over by pushing the release back" is sound either. It already has a ton of money sunk into it, do the full on reshoot/recast of the lead. There must be, like, a dozen shots or so they don't have to redo. Maybe it'll only cost another 150 million.

 

This is what I think is happening too. WB put too much money into this movie. They are a company with share holders. They can’t scrap the movie at this point. They need to break even. So they will release the Flash in theaters. And make whatever profits from a world wide theatrical release and then streaming and home video.

My hunch is WB is hoping the global markets don’t really know or care about Ezra Miller enough to make his criminal actions an issue. They’re counting on this being another super hero movie with little backlash in those markets. WB is prepared for North America and English speaking markets to under perform because of Miller’s actions.

I think WB needs to break even and want this movie in the rear view mirror as soon as possible. It’s really bad for them that this film’s release date is still ten months away. So much bad will is being generated from what’s already happened. And who knows what Miller will do next or what past crimes could come to light.

If this was the old studio system (we’d probably never know about Millers crimes) I think WB would put the actor away somewhere remote on vacation under watchful eyes until the film was released.

 

do i believe that Flash is a theatrical release that cost twice as much as Batgirl and is rumored to be a better movie ?


yes i can read.

 

I buy that as well, let's say they're hoping for like if it tanks in North America due to Miller's rampant crime spree it would make like 100 million but 600 million overseas because the reach of Miller's crimes won't get that far and affect the box office. also they're probably really hoping for China to release it too. Although this is a lot of wistful thinking on WB's part. To say nothing of the promotion tour where the person who plays the Flash is certifiably nuts. Can't wait to see what questions Keaton gets after "what was it like to put the Batsuit on again?" and "what did you feel about Batgirl being scrapped for a tax refund"?

 

"Was it ironic that you played a crimefighter while partnering with a real life supervillain?"

 

With the confirmation they did reshoots with Miller over the summer I think we can dismiss any ideas of them redoing the film with a new actor (with the possible exception of the ending). They're simply in too many scenes for WB to do that and still make a profit.

Now, Hollywood accounting is messed up and makes no logical sense, but I can't help but feel there has to be more to this than is being said. Batgirl won't make $90m on HBO Max, ok I can buy that, but it's not big enough for theatres? Even if it is smaller scale and not a massive blockbuster event, you're telling me they don't think they can turn a profit on a $90m Batgirl movie with Keaton as Batman, Fraser as the villain and the first Latina lead for a DC movie? I really struggle to believe that even if the film is only average.

And on the flip side of that, if they can take a tax write off on stuff from the old regime due to the merger, why can't that apply to The Flash? When Batgirl was still coming I could understand as The Flash was, at that point, the lynchpin of all their future plans. It needed to come out for everything that came after to make sense. Now, Batgirl is gone, Supergirl never got beyond a title on an ideas board, Aquaman will release first so Affleck has reshot Keaton's Batman cameo there for continuity reasons. Everything that was spinning out of The Flash seems to be gone, so why not take the tax write off? Maybe there's a limit to what they can write off but I've not seen that mentioned anywhere.

My best guess is that The Flash still sets things up for whatever their plans are for what comes next. Maybe in a different/smaller way to what it did under the old regime (will Keaton still be the DCEU Batman after this? I'm 50/50 at this point), but likely still enough that they don't want to scrap it. Especially with it testing well and audiences still wanting to see Keaton's return and Calle's Supergirl. They probably feel they can minimize Miller in the marketing and put the focus on Batman and Supergirl. Wouldn't be too surprised if they renamed it Batman: Flashpoint or DC's Flashpoint rather than The Flash either.

I just wish at this point they'd give us some idea of what the plan actually is. For years it's felt like we've just been waiting for The Flash to get an idea of direction. Now we know that direction was to build towards Crisis on Infinite Earths. Is that still the case? Who knows! And, even if that remains the long term goal, I suspect the plan on how to get there is going to change a lot.

 

Rolling Stone reported it would take another $7 - $9 million to finish the Batgirl movie.

Looks like it came down to money. By just stopping WBD gets the $20 million tax break and spends no more money. That’s looking like a $30 million savings. Then add whatever was going to be spent on promotion being used towards other HBOMax projects.

 

Police Unable to Locate Mother and Her 3 Kids Who Were Staying with Ezra Miller in Vermont: Report

In other unrelated news, DC fans don't have to wait long for the latest trailer of the new, "The Flash" movie. It will be shown during the Yankees/Red Sox game on Fox this Sunday night!!!!!

 

Sneak peak of the trailer: