Andor Official "Andor" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Everything I’ve heard has been negative, “boring, slow, etc”

I think this one was for the fans and nobody else

 

Interesting. I'm surprised!

Could I add that this show's real-worldly-ness has a couple of SW "firsts". New swearing! (As noted elsewhere). And sex references (in two scenes) - not just suggestions. I wondered if that might make it seem less "for-the-fans" alongside its general awesomeness.

 

someone did ask me what it's like and I told them it's going for a more gritty realistic feel , he said he wouldn't be bothering then.

 

Just finished my rewatch of the episodes. It truely is something special. This show is gonna go down as iconic.

The writing, story, and pacing are all very well done. Characters are fantastic, and I can already feel myself getting attached to several of them. The amazing acting helps this too. Easily some of the best performances in Star Wars to date.

Visually, it’s perfect. The CGI is flawless. The world building is inspiring. And I love just how much detail they’ve put into the sets. The streets are full of people and alien species each doing their own tasks. The main world feels very lived in.

The show is very atmospheric. You really get drawn into the worlds and I absolutely love that. Sometimes there’s moments without any dialogue that just rely on the atmosphere and it’s so effective.

The score and sound design are phenomenal as well. The ending to episode 3 has incredible music. Makes the scene that much more powerful.

It is very different than any Star Wars we’ve seen to date, which is both refreshing and exciting. It’s very grounded and realistic. Very human. It definitely feels like it’s for an older audience, but I’m sure there’ll definitely be a bunch of awesome action too to keep everyone happy. Cannot wait for what’s to come. Incredible stuff yet again.

 

This has probably already been posted, but:



Good interview with Gilroy. I think he definitely approached this show with the right mentality and it is definitely showing in the execution thus far.

Andor definitely isn't what I'd want everything Star Wars to function/feel like, but as this particular corner of the galaxy that it's carved out, I absolutely think it is successful so far. One of my biggest problems with Disney+ Star Wars shows to date has been the incredibly strict adherence to what came before at the complete expense of really innovating or shaking things up and showing up new perspectives on the world that actually feel different, and then along comes Andor like a breath of fresh air, playing on a sort of storytelling and the associated cinematic language that goes along with that to great effect.

I keep thinking back to that really great interview with Lucas and Filoni from a few years ago, for The Clone Wars' tenth anniversary I think it was, when they talk about how the real highlight of TCW was getting to use the Star Wars world to really mix up the formula and tell stories in styles that, on the surface, aren't inherently Star Wars but as a result end up really giving the world a lot more life that ends up feeling Star Wars regardless, and Andor is really swinging for that same sort of ideal here by playing within its own genre and stylistic conventions.

 

Rewatching these eps again, and wow, someone needs to hook Tony Gilroy up with the Alien franchise. They’ve capture that kind of aesthetic and vibe perfectly here.

 

I watched the first episode with my fiancée. She can watch and enjoy a decent amount of SW but she isn’t a super fan like me. When the episode was over she thought it was a bit slow and was ready for bed. She told me to tell her how the next two were and if she should continue watching them with me. When I did I knew this show wasn’t for her. She likes her SW faster paced and with cute creatures (like Grogu). I on the other hand can’t wait for next Wednesday!

 

For the corporate human angle stuff, I can definitely see that, yeah. I don't think Gilory is quite weird enough for the actual Alien side of things, though. I'm crossing my fingers and really hoping that Noah Hawley and Fede Álvarez are.... I do wish we could have gotten one last prequel film from Ridley Scott to follow on from Covenant's dangling threads before moving onto new visions, though.

 

I've definitely gotten the impression watching the show that it has potential fans that aren't traditional Star Wars fans, that might take a while to find it (hopefully they do). I also get the impression that people looking for a certain style in Star Wars are going to be turned off. Very curious to see how the audience realigns over the run of this show.

 

yeah, also he keeps criticizing her in a rather vague way ("she's so dull/ dull Bixie girl"), and it's still unclear what bothers him so much about her specifically.

 

Possibly reminds him of his ex… or his mother?

 

Hope that this series will make at least some reference to Solo, like clarifying whether the Imperials finished the Mimban Campaign or not.

Regarding the recent rumor about future episodes - my guess is that

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this comic book character from Legends is Jahan Cross.

 

Yeah you have a point there. Just didn't like her character or scenes much and I thought show should focus more on Andor himself. But I shouldn't have said it that way. It came out wrong... I'm sorry. That was emotional frustration instead of good argument or justified criticism.

I do feel Disney has some rule now that there just has to be major female lead in every show. Right after OWK which had both Leia and Reva it feels that way. It felt like they just had to put some female lead to Andor instead of focusing only in name character this time. It felt like Bix would've been better as mere side character, but she is probably having larger role later since she was followed around so much.

You are right that BOBF didn't have large focus in any young female, even though there was one (cyborg-girl). So my argument was bad. Mandalorian didn't have any female leads really, but some strong supporting female characters like Armorer, Bo-Katan and Cara Dune. None of them especially young though. And I have no problem with any of them. (Never liked Cara though)

With pointing out that youth I just meant that there is a great new female character in Maarva, but she is older so I think that she is not filling for disney quota of ideal female leads. She is probably going to die at some point so that may be the real reason rather than her age. Cassian's sister is also female character important in this show so Bix just felt unneeded to me. Just uninteresting and I felt like we didn't need to see her that much. But as said there is probably reason for her introduction.

I have no problem with any character that serves important part in the plot (don't necessarily like all characters though), but I feel like there is often quota characters in modern shows that serve no purpose other than to avoid criticism for the lack of representation. I don't really care what each character's gender is. But if character is followed around there should be reason for it. I didn't like how Bix and Timm characters interacted and I felt I didn't need to see any of it, but I guess there is reason why they were shown and Bix probably serves important part later on.

So there was no other problem than the fact that by far I don't like Bix as character and I felt confused how much she was shown. If there is point to it however then I should shut up for now. Sorry I said anything, it was just a feeling. They are not always rational.

I guess it was her scenes with Timm, just made me feel rather awkward. But honestly I don't even know myself why she irritates me. She just does. Just saying what I honestly felt, sorry for having negative opinion on character you others seem to like.

That gets a bit personal don't you think? No she is nothing like my mum and I don't have any ex-girlfriends. I'm still together with my first gf. 11 years soon . Am I not allowed to dislike fictional character without being made fun of?

And besides I did like the show a lot despite her. If you like her fine that is a good thing. Maybe I learn to like her too eventually. That often happens to me. That I learn to like some characters more after a while. Even if they irritated me at first.

 

How Andor will connect with other canon media, like Rebels.

 

I was just poking a bit of fun. I didn’t actually think that. So no offense was meant. And congrats on 11 years with your girlfriend!
As for Bix, of course you’re allowed to dislike her. So far she seems of no importance to the show. She’s just kind of there for me. Not much to like to dislike so far.

 

it seems like you do care though, because you keep complaining about some kind of quota, which you only complain about in regards to female characters, so apparently having more than one female character in a show is to many for you

 

Sorry but I'm not satisfied with this. My problem is that you seem very passionate about your distaste toward her, who's a relatively standard character (I mean there is nothing extra-ordinary about her in either direction), and you couldn't tell what's triggering your distaste. Then you added this: "They just need to have young female protagonist in every disney show now".... Then you called her "Bixie girl".... From the way you frame it, it really looks like her being a young woman is part of the problem you have, and this is not looking good, of course, so I'd like you to explain yourself a bit better. Or maybe just think this through, if you don't feel like you have anything to explain.

 

I was hooked after the first five minutes.

Who am I kidding? I was hooked when the show was announced three years ago.


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He seems exactly the opposite of that to me. His heart is totally and completely in it. He gets outraged that his boss’s hearts isn’t in it. He strikes me as a true corporate security and Imperial believer. And his zealous commitment to this authoritarian government will be his downfall.


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As was the case with Rogue One, my non-Star Wars fan wife and colleagues, who are all into prestige TV drama and realistic war films, absolutely loved it. So to me this looks like one for the non-fans more than any previous offering. Which makes sense as Gilroy is a non-fan as well.

Audiences who ONLY like pulpy genre stuff, though, may not like it.


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Fennec Shand.

Hard pass. Could Tony Gilroy make a great Alien movie? Probably yes.
But as long as Ridley Scott is making those, I will take that any given day.

I beg to differ. Both The Mandalorian and TBOBF were very refreshing, and certainly gave us new perspectives on the worlds of Star Wars. If we go back 3 years and check out the complaints about TM Season 1, we will see how many Star Wars fans were complaining about the music, the cinematography, the characters, everything. Claiming that "it didn't feel like Star Wars". Same old complaints. Andor is great, but I don't see anything extremely innovative and groundbreaking about it. It's just a different style, still set within the boundaries of the GFFA. And I am glad. This is how it should be, in my opinion. Respectful to the Lucasverse, but trying new things.

This Tony Gilroy interview is great though. It really sucks how articles cherry pick certain phrases he said, to paint a different picture, such as his quote about "the Star Wars reverence". From the title it seems that he told everyone to forget and ignore that they are Star Wars fans, but from the context this is not all of what he said. And then he speaks about The Volume, and contrary to what a lot of people claimed in these forums, he is actually a huge fan of The Volume. And he said he wishes they could have used it. But logistics wise, it couldn't happen, because it would require a lot of travelling. Everything he said in this interview was actually pretty great. He seems to know exactly how to make a Star Wars show that feels new and fresh, and at the same time respects everything that came before.

 

Well that’s the thing, isn’t it. He’s not making them anymore.

 

I think the character allows for multiple directions. He could very well double-down and push for harsher and harsher means - which seems the most likely option to me, otherwise, why have him as such a character in the first place? especially with his more casual boss as contrast - but he could also realize what is happening and how things just get more and more extreme after the Empire really gets involved, leading to him doubting his choices. Or he could just straight up snap.

That is, if he's even all that relevant for the long-term picture and not just someone who mostly serves as an early antagonist who gets pushed aside by more Imperial big-wigs taking over the more the situation detoriates.