ST Sequel to the Sequel trilogy coming?

I've shown in the past that it's an entirely different location. Not just ... building.

And retcon doesn't mean, deletion. It means what it means. Mando is already retconning elements of the story as presented in the ST, particularly TLJ. A small one. But a retcon nonetheless.

And retcons have occurred in SW since 1980. They will continue to happen. To think that current and future creators wont's retcon other elements, or that the ST is somehow sacred and isn't going to be retconned is the oddity. The ST retcon itself. Expect more it.

 

The early stages of the Academy in TBoBF is supposed to be the same Academy shown in the TLJ flashbacks, just look it up, it’s been confirmed.

It looks different because it’s still in an early stage and there are more trees around it.

 

The book of Boba had a flashback to Boba on Geonosis and the background isn't the same as in episode 2. Even know its replicating the exact shot from episode 2. The droids are in different places and there is one of the creatures missing. But i don't think that's meant to be a retcon. i ain't sure why they couldn't replicate the episode 2 background exactly, but hey.

In comparison, Lukes school is in a fairly accurate location. if it was on a snow planet or a beach, then we could talk.

But i do agree, minor retcons will probably happen. I just don't think they will be out to intentionally retcon things.

 

I want to agree with you, but just to play Devil's Advocate, how else were they supposed to portray Luke in The Mandalorian? Luke doesn't become TLJ!Luke until Kylo Ren destroys his academy and kills his students. According to the trajectory set up in TLJ, in the timeframe of The Mandalorian, Luke is on the road to becoming even more of a legend than he already is. He's supposed to have it all together and be a wise, benevolent Jedi at this point in the story.

I do agree that I have a very hard time buying that the Luke we see in Mando becomes the Luke we see in TLJ, but as you said, that's nothing new. I feel the same way about RotJ Luke.

 

I can understand fans on Luke and TLJ.

 

Grogu doesn't count really. He chose to be with Din. Which means he is accepting a life of attachment and chances are to be a Mandalorian. Just because he has force powers which according to Ahsoka may just fade over time, doesnt mean he has to be a jedi.

Now that doesnt mean Luke doesnt have students that survived. Star wars has found loop holes to keep ahsoka and ezra alive so why not? Star wars managed to give anakin an apprentice that didnt exist in the movies, so who knows what happens in the years we dont see but probably one day will.

 

Maybe Jacen Syndulla was one of the students and survived.

 

...and becomes Darth Caedus

 

Rey fights her legends brother.

 

Hard disagree. Luke had decades of life in that period that we know nothing about. If things went badly enough, which it seems they did, if Luke's attempts to make things better led to making things worse due to a long stream of rotten luck, his optimism could erode away, leaving him feeling convinced that the galaxy was better off without him. I don't like that story, but it's conceivable.

 

You might be able to convince me that RotJ Luke turned into TLJ Luke given enough context and character development (the backstory in TLJ wasn't enough). The thing is I don't want to be convinced. If we ever get a movie or show that bridges the gap between those two versions of the character, that might be the first Star Wars thing I don't watch.

 

Really all you need to know is people change as they get older. when you are young you set your sights on the world, and as you get older you learn what it really has. Older Luke was likely never gonna be like younger Luke. Its not about 1 single thing, its about everything. life experiences and heavy responsibility.

 

It's not just that things went epically bad. It's that the Luke who made those mistakes in between moves, seems completely removed from the character we last see in EP 6. It's that that character then goes on to be an even more completely different character, one who seemingly forgets all his old lessons, his successes, and his failures. It's that the character who finally figures out what his real mistakes were, isn't because of his failures, which is supposed to be our greatest teacher in life, but because Yoda has to spell it out for him. It's that his solution to fix things, is to show the galaxy the legend once more, hide his true failed self to Kylo, when that was the literal thing Yoda tells him not to do. All of it is just shoddy writing.

There's now a major missing piece to Luke's story, once that will we never get in Saga form. And it's not that Luke couldn't fail at something. Hell, failing at teaching could be a great story to see unfold. But Luke wasn't just bad at teaching, he was bad at all the things that made him Luke in the first place. EP6 Luke would have told Ben about the dark side in himself. EP 6 Luke would have told him about Anakin. EP 6 Luke would have continued on after failing. EP 6 Luke wouldn't believe for one moment that the Jedi are responsible for the Sith, even if he failed Ben.

In the end TLJ Luke just doesn't make sense. Namely because we can't see how EP 6 Luke got there. And a simple flashback isn't enough.

Older Luke learned the wrong damn lesson. Young Luke was more correct about life than Cynical TLJ Luke ever was.

 

Yep, but it seems some fans are weirdly expecting the Mandoverse to eventually retcon for good the ST.

Which is a silly idea.

 

Probably because being a jedi is actually tough.

I mean the idea that Luke managed to not be pushed to the dark side doesn't mean he is immune now. that's wrong logic. Life doesn't work that way. He made the right choice at the right time, but the lesson he learnt wasn't that the jedi were wrong for the rules they needed to set or that making the right choice is actually easy when you are in a role of huge responsibility.

Even the jedi in the PT often seemed Cynical, But that was likely more based on life events they learnt from. if you jump into something you are often left in a mess until you build boundaries to stabilise things.

Yeah it doesn't make sense.

 

And TLJ didn't even remotely present that the jedi were wrong for the rules they needed to set.

 

Because they were not.

 

The problem, in terms of retroffiting or establishing Luke's 'decline' (prior to the ST) in any new live action content, is that I'm not sure they'll ever be the appetite for it... be it on the side of audiences or filmmakers/showrunners. Focusing on Luke's decline, even if handled well, only works to further seperate the Luke of the OT from the Luke of the ST... and I think that would marginalise fans further.

So I agree that it's certainly conceivable that Luke's decline could feature in a new TV show/film... but I'm not sure it fixes anything in the films... or the characters legacy. Indeed, it would probably heighten the issues... (and this is tied into Luke's poor depiction post his talk with Yoda in TLJ). For this reason, I think DLF will work to reestablish the depiction of Luke from the OT e.g. hope, optimism etc. in new content, rather than focus on why he became disillusioned etc.

 

This only holds true if you simply do not believe that characters can regress, but are rather, linear-progressing automatons that simplistically march forward to the sound of the writer's pen. And I say this as someone who does not enjoy the ST.

 

Some things just don't go away. Like if you took take ROTJ as face value and you automatically assume it puts the Empire to bed and there is peace!. But the Mandalorian show looks at it through the idea that there would be remains still fighting back. Which is not down to the ST, they are just looking at it through what would probably happen. It wouldn't just go away. They also add a mixed impact on the results of the empire being gone.

 

I don't think Luke's ST characterization is merely a regression. If that were the case then TLJ Luke would share similarities with some earlier, nonmatured, former version of himself that he's regressed towards. The whiny teenager in ANH before he sets out on his adventure. And although I've argued in the past that TLJ Luke seems to have forgotten everything he ever learned in his OT arc, and not in the good Yoda way, this isn't the case either.

Luke is in TLJ is basically Opposite Luke. For reasons that are vague. Oh, he failed one time. Got it. Now he's the opposite. Like the flick of switch, like turning off the force, he just becomes a new character.

TLJ presents Luke as mature and wisened. Gone is the youthful optimism and hope. In its place is aged cynicism and despair. As if the writer didn't really want to work out how Luke's character would evolve over time, into a 50+ year old Jedi Master who failed big time, and just went "It's Opposite Day" on his characterization. Brilliant. And then by the end of the movie, bonk, Luke is back. Kinda. It's still not a Luke that feels connected to EP 6, or where this character could have gone in 30 years, but the dial is rotated somewhat back to something familiar.

I don't think Luke's characterization is anywhere near realistic. It's not how people change, or wait...don't change. (I can't tell what RJ's final point on that is.) Something realistic would be for Luke to fail, feel badly about it, and then figure out a way to fix his mistakes. Luke crawling away to have a pity party for himself for 6 years, and make up a whole host of dumb reasons why he has to stay away, and why the Jedi need to end, is not ... an evolution of character. It's characterization for the sake of a change in the story.

 

Thats probably a little too real in some cases tbh.