Ahsoka Sabine

I don't want her Force sensitive at all...but if they do then maybe it is about a hunch or making an extremely difficult shot.

Also...Sabine has not blown anything up in 3 episodes...I would say she is due.

 

With Luke, I of course was invested in him becoming a Jedi because the fate of the galaxy depended on it. Plus, this whole Jedi thing was new to us and I wanted to learn more about it. It was also interesting to see Anakin's journey from promising young Jedi to the big bad Darth Vader. And at least initially I was interested in seeing Rey's journey to becoming a Jedi since she was ostensibly the only Jedi-ish hero left in the galaxy after Luke's students were killed. I was also invested in Grogu's story in part because I was very curious to see if they were really going to commit to the idea that he would be handed over to Luke. Plus, it was fun seeing that cute little guy using the Force.

All of that is to say I don't know what the hook is in making Sabine a Jedi. She's not billed as being the next savior of the galaxy. Nothing seems to depend on whether or not she'll become a Jedi and since she doesn't appear in the ST Sabine's journey to becoming a Jedi does not serve as a prequel to anything that happens in the ST. Oh sure some fans and Youtubers will probably say, "because Sabine did X in the Ahsoka show we now have a better understanding why Y happened in the ST" but all of that is just Marvel Comics No-Prize BS.

Also, Ahoska is for all intents and purposes a Jedi, Luke Skywalker is at the hight of his powers during this time period, and Ezra is basically a Jedi too. So with all those other Jedi in the mix I don't feel like we need Sabine to be a Jedi.

I'm guessing the point of Sabine's Jedi training is probably just a tool the writers are using for creating character moments for her and Ahsoka. Plus, it gives them something to talk about as they slowly work their way to Thrawn and Ezra. Okay sure, that's fine, but if they want to tell a story about Sabine learning to believe in herself I think they could tell that story without wrapping it up in a Jedi story. They don't need to show Sabine finally moving the coffee cup for us to understand that she has built up her confidence. If anything a Sabine Jedi story could make telling that story less compelling because the Jedi stuff will invite comparisons to Luke and his journey and it could give us a very been-there-done-that vibe. Instead of thinking, "wow that was cool to see Sabine really grow as a character" it could just feel like a rehash of Luke and to some extent Rey's story.

 

Something I would add to this...we should see that Force users are not these all powerful, unbeatable characters. That there are those out there who can match them one on one. With Sabine being a trained Mandalorian warrior and equipped with beskar armor, jetpack, vambraces, and Ezra's lightsaber...she should not need to be a trained Force user to stand against the likes of Baylan, Shin or Marrok.

 

Yea, on SW Explained I've been seeing people asking could interpreting art be one way she expressed the Force.

I'd AT LEAST like to see her be proficient in the usage of a lightsaber if nothing else. In fact I liked that scene when she fought Gar Saxon, so she can mix aspects of it.

 

I mean even people on the Jedi high council aren’t unstoppable. We all remember him.

 

What are the odds that two members of different alien species having the same first name become Jedi High Council Members?

 

I guess you’ve never heard of the famous Jedi Master Yoda Johnson.

 

Ahsoka and Sabine both want to save Ezra, and they seem to think that adding some Jedi abilities to Sabine's preexisting Mando skills will increase their chances of success and survival.

Is this good logic? Yes.

Becoming more powerful will probably increase their chances of success. Some of you are arguing these extra abilities aren't absolutely necessary, and that may -- or may not -- be true. But we don't need to make decisions based on whether something is necessary; increasing the probability of success is a perfectly good reason to continue Sabine's training.

We can also ask, why Sabine and not someone else? First, Sabine makes sense because Ezra is family, so she should be on this journey. Second, why not Luke? Presumably he's busy with his academy, but they would probably reach out to him if the threat level increases. In fact, if we began the journey by including Luke, everything would proceed too easily and with less tension.

Larger questions that are more legit IMO are related to motivation. Why does Sabine want to become a Jedi? From what I've seen, we have at least two reasons she would want to become a Jedi: 1) practical reasons of survival. 2) She really seems to admire the Jedi figures she's known, like Kanan, Ezra, and Ahsoka, and I think she wants to follow in their footsteps as she views them as family. A related 3) reason emerges: wanting to move beyond a strict Mandalorian identity.

I would also add that it's well-established Sabine is a multitalented person, an artist that enjoys creativity and doing new things. So it makes perfect sense she would want to continue to grow.

 

I would disagree that it is a good idea to train Sabine to be a Jedi. She is already a trained Mandalorian...why start doing something new? It just messes with her head when she needs to be focused on the mission.

If she is out of practice with a lightsaber...then fine...train with a lightsaber. But instead of putting a helmet on she can't see out of how about going back to basics like she did with Ezra and Kanan? Start fresh and build back form there instead of trying to do more complex things and trying to get her in touch with the Force.

I would also say that the only reason Sabine lost to Shin was she was just using a lightsaber she was out of practice with...if she had time to get fully geared up she may have beat her.

 

This is fiction though, so if the character is struggling with challenges, that's good, not bad.

Sometimes fans seem to want their fiction to function like reality.

 

It may create some drama in the story...but it is like preparing for a basketball tournament by learning to play football.

 

Those were really more large scale conflicts. I am talking smaller scale, one on one...or small team vs small team as we appear to be getting here. But when you have characters like Grievous (admittedly heavily enhanced cyborg) or Cad Bane holding their own against Jedi in The Clone Wars then I don't see a problem with a one on one with a Force user vs a heavily armed Mando (or other well trained warrior) going against the Force user.

 

I would say Sabine lost to Shin because she doesn't have any proficiency with the Force whereas Shin does. I mean, Shin can deflect blaster bolts with her lightsaber. Can Sabine do that? Sabine can't beat Shin in a lightsaber duel with just martial practice sans Force ability. And if she does I won't believe it. Now if she develops Force abilities and/or throws in her Mandalorian tricks and trinkets then okay, I can believe she can at least hold her own, but a straight up saber duel? Shin, no contest.

 

Which is why I am saying Sabine with armor, blasters, jet pack, vambraces and lightsaber...not Sabine with just a lightsaber and her plucky attitude.

 

True on all counts, so the question is where does that leave Sabine in next episode?

 

I still think Sabine should have put up a better fight against shin

 

Why? Shin seems to be a full-on force user. And Sabine still held her own for quite some time.

 

Luke Skywalker vs random Mandalorian #2356 of course goes to Luke. But Sabine vs Shin...should not just be "Shin wins because she's a Force user"

 

Depends on Shin's power level that is so far unclear.

 

Agreed. It felt precisely right to me.

 

And that goes back to my previous comment about Force users being portrayed as being unbeatable because of the Force.