Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

The Art of Star Wars: The Mandalorian (Season Two) has this caption in it "We opened up [the space] a little bit so that the Lambda-class shuttle could fit into the hangar.
In the final version, we ended up cheating it so that the shuttle flies down the whole thing, but we figured it all out, including the inside - how the shuttle will fit, where the hangar is, how the TIE fighters are loaded. Again, it's always nice to do the math to figure out exactly how it fits properly".

There's also a cutaway of the hangar bay with a Lambda shuttle in front of it. The hangar bay is listed as 35 ft(10.67m) tall, around half the height of the shuttle in the image.

I'm currently going over this scene and it does look like the ship is around 1200m in length. I'll post my measurements if I manage to get something I'm happy with.

Now the next question is, how long is Home One? If I'm right that it's at least twice the length of the NR cruiser, then Home One is likely 2400+m in size - amusingly the 2400m figure is close to a random theory I had that the studio scale model was built to 1/1000th scale.

Interesting. I also got 15m, but I thought I had messed up the measurement, as I had got a rough height of 15m for the shuttle(with its wings folded up and landing gear retracted). I also got around 20m for the hangar height, as the shuttle is coming in to land, but it's possible that the shuttle was just outside of the hangar, so it's likely shorter than this.

I'm kinda curious why they did it, since the starboard side can be seen in another episode - might be they hadn't modeled the main bay, or the director decided they wanted the Ghost to leave from the starboard side after they had render most of the scenes out.

I think that might be it.
Here's an image that shows it slightly better.

 

The cover of the upcoming novel "The Living Force", set one year before TPM, features the clone wars refit for the Consular-class cruiser.
Could be a mistake or a retcon

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They could have had them as gunships before the Clone Wars. They had to have armed ships of some kind.

 

I certainly remember armed Consulars in the Yinchorri conflict and Stark Hyperspace War.

 

Yep..

 

Kinda annoying though that they never added visible weapons to the Consulars. They did it for the Star Shuttles and its derivatives.

 

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Over ten years, I imagine Thrawn has accumulated a lot of valuable technology and other items. The Chimera may even be a proto-Xyston by now.

 

So, I've done some measurements of the NR cruiser and got around 1550m for it, which was a bit of a surprise since I was thinking it was in the lower end of 1-2km.

Here's my measurements.
Hangar Width

For the hangar bay's width I found the approximate width of the bay where the X-wing and A-wing are located, and then measured them both to get the median width of the bay - which ended up around 61.42m.
This image also shows how much perspective can affect measurements, as there is around a 3-4m difference in width between the entrance and the section where the ships are - which could easily equal a 50-100m difference when measuring the ships length!

Ship length

Measuring the ship length was a bit harder as there wasn't a full side view of the ship, so I ended up measuring the back and front sections of two ships in the same shot and combining the result to get the full length.
I also ended up doing two measurements for each ship, as I was worried that there was some perspective distortions that might impact the results, but in the end it was only a 12m difference, so not really worth worrying about.

Oh, and finally a comparison picture with a 3km Home One - the NR Cruiser is a composite image of the two ships above.

 

Spoiler: Ahsoka episode 6

Well, here we go

 

Looks to me like

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the Chimera, despite coming from Rebels where the ISDs don't have engine vanes, is a Rogue-One style ISD-I with engine vanes. I think the damage is supposed to indicate that it's the very same ship from the last episode of season 4, with Purgill damage still not repaired. If it has twin turrets instead of 8-barrelled ones, then we'll know for sure that they're using the Rogue One look - and maybe, that the 8-barrelled guns of Rebels ISD ships cannot be taken seriously - that what appears on screen in Rebels isn't what would appear if Rebels were live-action.

 

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Is this the first time we see the inside of an ISD's hangar in live action? Or all three of them for that matter. They looked great, though weirdly pristine and intact compared the exterior and the troopers.
It's cool that they bothered to model the "upgraded" new republic patrol gunships and the old imperial models from Rebels.

 

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The Chimaera looks to be a Rogue-One style ISD-I. The bridge tower (minus the targeting array) looks like an ISD-1s, it has the engines vanes, the front part of trench gets taller as it goes forward, and it has most of the ISD-1s armaments (the large ISD-I turrets are there, and it appears to have the large quad trench guns and three mid-line triple turbolasers).

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It might be. The only thing I can think of right now that was close to it was the Executor's hangar, which looks to have used an ISD's external bay for the view outside the hangar.

I do admit I was a bit disappointed that the main hangar didn't span the entire width of the bay (like the details on the model implied), but it does make it look more like the Rebels version.

 

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The differences in Rebels I'm pretty sure is just due to the art style of the show. I don't think anything has ever said they're actually different variants?

 

Early on in I think the newcanon Star Wars Encyclopedia, it was stated that Rebels-era TIEs had smaller, reinforced wings so they could land on them, and later this was retconned. But it's never been explicitly stated in the same way that when we see Rebels ISD-Ones (their class according to the Rebels Visual Guide) with 8-barrelled guns (they even fire them onscreen occasionally) that the show art style is not accurate and that the ships are really firing two-barrelled guns.

Maybe eventually someone will actually state this is in fact the case?

 

Another rough scaling attempt for the Vespers.

I assumed the biggest Purrgil in E5 was a Purrgil Ultra, which is around 800m long according to Rebels concept art. 1,200m looks closer to the ship's size relative to the Purrgil than 1,550m.

 

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Oh man, I sure hope so. We were already lucky enough to get live action E-Wings, live action Tie Defenders would be the dream (and be fairly logical since Thrawn did manage to make a few of them so there could be one or two on board). Now if only we could get live action Starvipers to complete the trifecta of "eu fighter designs that got toys and oddly popular enough to keep reappearing"

Sadly we got a good look at the hangars and it looks like all regular tie fighters.

 

Sorry for the small size and crappy resolution..best I could snatch off the computer screen.. THe shuttle / lifeboat that Obi Wan took off Roken's freighter at the end of Episode 6 of the Kenobi series.

 

EC Henry's take on what an unmodified GR-75 could look like

 

Hey, we got a name for those fighters that show up in 1 episode! But what about those cruisers appearing in 5??

 

Thanks for that...Checked the website and they have Shin's as well.

Just irks me that they did not give it a manufacturer.

 

Until we hear otherwise, I am headcanoning it as a Feethan Ottraw Scalable Assemblies model.

The real question is whether the normal merc fighters are the same type and Marrok and Shin just have custom, hotrodded ones, or if they are related but distinct designs.

Certainly the overall shape is mostly the same, with the main difference being the longer wings with pincers and bigger guns on Marrok and Shinn's, which could easily be modifications, but I find especially interesting is that the normal fighters have a little vane hanging off the back which M&Ss' fighters lack - makes me wonder what its purpose was, and why it was removed.

 

I am leaning towards different models.

 

So...

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I need to see him aboard Defiance or Dawn of Tranquility next ep.

 

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The missile mistery may have been finally solved