Kathleen Kennedy not leaving lucasfilm

Nobody criticized the actual t shirt, he was criticizing the films primarily

 

Yes. But the force is female comes from the T-shirt. And criticizing say and I am not saying anyone is doing that here, but people do it. Criticizing the Acolyte for being a female led show is dumb as hell.


Honestly she should have come out with a shirt that said the force is non binary. Although people would then question if she meant gender or if she meant the light or the dark side.


what I mean is like a solid 20% of Star Wars fans so desperately need to touch grass.

 

I think the slogan is very surface level commodified feminist and that speaks to the quality and message of KKs work.

Nobody can accurately criticize the Acolyte before it releases and I agree that whether shows are male or female led or anything in between or outside is not something that should factor into judgements of quality.

But I don’t think @MotivateR5D4 is criticizing anything for being “female lead”, I’m seeing criticism of the movies and shows for being lazy and commodified

 

People are well beyond criticizing the slogan itself and what it means.

But what it continues to represent is Kennedy's intended level of involvement in the making of the ST when she took over as head of LucasFilm. When her defenders now try to put the blame on everyone else but her when it comes to everything that went wrong with it.

 

You know if you don't like to be labeled perhaps you should stop labeling others as Kathleen Kennedy defenders. There are people who don't necessarily like the sequel trilogy all that much who are still saying that Disney is happy with her and that she isn't going anywhere. And they have explained why they have that opinion. You would be wrong to call them Kathleen Kennedy defenders. They are simply looking at it from a perspective that some others are not.

 

Fair enough.

 

I honestly don’t care who’s in charge of Lucasfilm, because I have a feeling that it won’t matter. These days I’m not very optimistic about the future of the franchise, no matter who’s at the top. I don’t think it’s likely that any of the movies announced this April will be hugely successful, if they get made at all. I just don’t think the demand is there. Of course this is just the impression I get, I have no hard data to back it up. Star Wars may live on, but I feel like it’s way past its heyday and will never be as big, popular and lucrative as it once was. I would be happy to be proven wrong. In short, I think KK did well enough, and I can’t see anyone else doing any better. I don’t like the ST, but most other things done under her leadership were either great or good enough. But maybe the popularity of Star Wars is now slowly fading, no matter who does what from now on.

But that’s just the pessimistic old me.

 

There is simply more competition now than there was back in the day. Back then Star Wars was pretty much the only thing around. Now they make lots of stuff for that specific fan base. Also keep in mind Star Wars movies are now expected and that also is completely different from what it used to be like.

 

Yeah. I think people don't take into account certain elements that made the OT more popular. In addition to more competition:

1. More seasoned actors..

2. No more signing Merchandise rights like a month before the film premiere, and selling the public an empty box promise for toys to be shipped by the preceeding year.

3. How movies are made has changed dramatically..

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Before Lucasfilm was sold to Disney, it seemed like the demand for everything Star Wars was ever so slightly more than the supply. The exception was probably TPM, where there were reports that some of the merchandise wasn't sold long after the film left theaters. Nowadays under Kathleen Kennedy's leadership, it seems like the supply of Star Wars far outpaces the demand. Lucasfilm should have done a better job stretching out the time between movies and tv shows, but Disney probably had something to say about that...

 

Yes it was Disney who wanted an entire trilogy out by a certain date.

 

Putting aside the two spinoff films, there's two years between each film release. I don't think an extra year would make much difference. Five films might be a bit much. But I think that it's the quality of the movies and the differences between what's in demand and what isn't.

 

Captain Marvel brought out the same type of attitudes as we are seeing in this thread. Unfortunately for the incels that movie was a huge success bringing in over a billion dollars. However now they are celebrating and out in full force online with the lackluster opening of The Marvels. Actress Iman Vellani is sure to draw some heat after saying. “I don’t want to focus on something that’s not even in my control, because what’s the point?” said Vellani, who plays Kamala Khan in the feature. “That’s for Bob Iger. [The box office] has nothing to do with me,” Vellani told the oulet. “I’m happy with the finished product, and the people that I care about enjoyed the film. It’s genuinely a good time watching this movie, and that’s all we can ask for with these films. It has superheroes, it take place in space, it’s not that deep and it’s about teamwork and sisterhood. It’s a fun movie, and I’m just so happy that I can share it with people.”

I think this was a terrific response and she has a good head on her shoulders. There are a lot of great actors that made great films that failed. There are also awful actors that made hugely successful films. Then there are films that get appreciated years after they are released and become classics despite being box office failures. Where this film ends up no one knows. Elemental had a dismal opening and brought out loud online hate but eventually became a sleeper hit. Vellani was brought in to do a job and that's what she did. I hope she continues to get work for as long as she chooses.

It doesn't matter what Kennedy's output is. She's going to bring out trolls no matter if a film is great or trash. I think she is too good at her job to put out something truly awful and personally she's going to have to really screw up to make something as bad as the PT. She's made some of the most successful films ever but certain groups are just waiting for her to fail so they can pounce and make "content". She's cemented her legacy and no amount of online hate or youtube channels can touch her.

 

She’s going to have to do a lot of work to make something as good as the pt

 

Many people would argue she already has with Mando and Andor. And Ahsoka. And she had about as much to do with those as she did with the ST.

 

Already did with Mandoverse and Andor and those leagues above PT.

 

Mando is leagues below. Andor is almost there but still not as good

 

Only the PT got above is world building. And lightsaber fights.

 

Restating points

 

It has story, characters, art direction, dialogue, being a trilogy of movies that matches the style of the OT

 

I like the PT but dialogue is bad. Art direction and story had potential to be good. It dosent really match OT style.

 

I didn't see Captain Marvel in the theater and I wish I did. One thing that doesn't get brought up enough about that film is how awesome the soundtrack is, I would have loved to have heard some of those songs blasting around me in a theater. Of course it's a bunch of female bands so yuck!

 

Ironically CM is one of the only non avengers marvel movies I have watched in theaters. Outside of captain america.