Mini Series The Acolyte 1.03 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Force-induced parthenogenesis is a possibility. If that's what happened with our favorite witches on Brendok, then that's quite anodyne, and not exactly as sinister as Sheev's "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural" makes it out to be.

 

The challenge here, at least for me - I don't know what has been established in canon - is that I don't know what is legal or illegal at this stage, and who gets to have a say in it (didn't the witches say they were outside the Republic and thus not subject to the Republic's laws?), and what kinds of things the Jedi get involved in and what they don't (that is, despite folks insisting the Jedi are a 'police force', would they investigate drug smuggling, or extortion, or the like? If cloning was illegal, would that involve the Jedi?).

The other thing is... there was a partial exchange, that got cut off, where the Jedi indicated they were concerned the witches were training children. It isn't clear to me how far this concern over "Force users" is supposed to extend. Aniseya can apparently "use the Force", right? And we saw at least two young women who can (the two who were involved in Aniseya's "push" demo?). And I got the sense that at least some of the other women could. Do the Jedi care about that?

But yes, it is very strongly implied that however the twins were created, it was some means the Jedi wouldn't like, or that is illegal and therefore the Jedi wouldn't like it.

 

The Acolyte's main Plot Twist:

Darth Plagueis was not named after the word Plague, but because he plagiarized the Covenant's research and was able to manipulate midichlorians to create life (!!!)

"The Creation Of Life By Manipulating Midichlorians & Effects on Society" by Aniseya, Koril et al.

 

Spoiler

The Jedi 100% killed the witches thats way the Jedi from episode 2 kill himself and say sorry to Mae

 

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Maybe you're right. Of course, we're supposed to find it simply inconceivable that Jedi would do such a thing. I'm not convinced that is what happened, but certainly won't discount it. There's obviously something pretty sinister to it given the fact that Torbin commited suicide in what appeared to be an act of penance for his role in whatever did happen on Brendok.

 

Episode guide
https://www.starwars.com/series/the-acolyte/destiny-episode-guide?cmp=smc|13774299827

 

I rate this episode 8/10 loved it.

 

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To be honest, I thought the young actors playing Mae and Osha were twins, but it seems they're "just" sisters. They do look very alike. I guess they just couldn't find a pair of actress twins, or very similar-looking sisters, to play the adult roles. It works for me regardless.

 

Interesting...

There's similar yellow trees at both the Jedi Temple and at the Coven.

 

7/10. It's not the best SW has to offer, the acting was ropey, there were a few nonsensical moments and the dialogue was notably poor in places, but I'm really enjoying the world building and mystery of it all.

 

I'm going with, Torbin freaked, possibly due to the whammy put on him or not. He killed or started killing the witches. This would justify the level of his guilt we've seen.

 

90% chance it's probably something as simple as that.

 

Korbin mind controlled Torbin

 

Unfortunately this episode was nowhere near as good as the first 2, I feel it was way too soon for a flashback episode, plus it didn’t really answer anything.

On the bright side at least there were aliens amongst the witches, it’s nice to have variety.

 

To be fair his guilt may not imply he was the only one that did something. But more he was the one that couldn't put it behind him.

To feel guilt over killing the witches for example would likely be worse if they did it for non-self defence reasons.

Like what if the jedi kill the witches because they see it as protecting the force. Being about "power and who is allowed to use it". They did it because they thought they were doing the right thing but Torbin couldn't look past what they did. AKA murder.

 

Two characters being reduced to binary force avatars, and thus acting like symbols/ ciphers rather than acting like human beings, is just not that interesting an approach to characters in long-form storytelling. For many. Your mileage may vary.

Right. No argument there. But I wonder if part of what Headland is showing us is why. Perhaps the coven was originally a pacifist, light-leaning group, and due to some injustice, perceived or real, starting using the dark side. Including doing super dark side things like creating life. And maybe that’s why some of their actions and habits are positive and life-affirming (such as Aniseya’s non-violence), and others seem super dark side.

 

dp

 

I don't see the Jedi being a hit squad. Especially not with a padawan.

 

To give that guy suicidal guilt it has to be really bad. unless he is just extremely over-sensitive. but since he is now dead his secret would die with him. So the secret can't be all on him otherwise the story wouldn't still be going.

I am expecting some shock factor when it comes to the jedi because the showrunner certainly has teased a desire to make the jedi look not so great. Its just a matter of time to see I guess.

 

Jedi killing himself in and of itself is unbelievably stupid and one of the most stupid and OOC things I've seen in Star Wars, and nothing can really justify it to me. Even if we take a hypothetical Jedi, who did something they regret, they'd try to make up for it, they'd live their life to help others. As opposed to Torbin, who became a shut in and then just offed himself immediately. Yet he needed to see Mae, apparently, instead of killing himself 10 years ago or whatever. Given how shockingly easy he did that, I fail to see the reason he waited that long.

 

I would have given it a 2 for Master Squid Games but then I unfortunately remembered that whole sing song the power of 1 blah bit so 1 it shall be.

 

For those of you that were wondering:

https://www.starwars.com/news/spice-creams-recipe

Rated the episode with a 7, which is exactly how I feel about the whole show and both premiere episodes. An honest 7. Nothing exciting, nothing too bad. A little bit on the meh side for now, but I am enjoying it.

 

Neither possibility is exclusive of the other.

Why not both? Just because a being is created unnaturally doesn't mean they shouldn't have rights.

What do we burn besides a witch?
MORE WITCHES!

 

I have read about half of the posts in this thread, and half of those spend so much energy talking about what the YouTubers were saying before the episode aired.

So. Much. Wasted. Energy. Who cares?