Mini Series The Acolyte 1.03 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Is it possible these hooded figures are Ringwraiths?

Maybe the Sith are just a red herring for this show.

 

They're the Knights of Ren. They're searching for Dyads. Or creating them.

 

It is a form of imperialism, of ethnocentrism, if you will. Forcing opinions to be adopted by everyone else is a form of ethnocentrism.

 

Hope that Knights will be mentioned in this series as one of the Force-using groups hunted by the Jedi.

 

At least Disney Lucasfilm uses punctuation.

 

Really? Osha has to reassure Sol that "it wasn't his fault." Indara looked guilt-ridden when she saw Mae. Something went down that they all believe they were responsible for, IMO, and that was morally questionable and largely covered up.

 

Basically:
Disney is awesome at allllll the SW I love. But Disney has ruined SW because I don't like some stuff too.

 

At no point did the Jedi force the witches to give up their children. In fact, they explicitly said that it's both up to the children, and that they would only train them if their parents granted them permission.

 

Disagree about both. Osha doesn't need to reassure Sol, she just does because she has empathy.
He doesn't show anywhere that he feels guilt, and remorse (even if he did show that, which I don't see) is not the same as guilt.
I did not get remorse from Indara at all. If we have ever seen a stoic character in SW, it's her. Guilt-ridden is the opposite of what she seemed.

 

Personally, I can watch episode 3 on repeat over the Last Jedi all day. Episode 3 doesn't butcher Luke Skywalker. And at least ep 1 and 2 are legitimately quite good, entertaining, and just straight up nice to look at. The Farscape vibes are right up my alley. I'm excited for the forest encounter with all the Jedi and the sith.

 

Yes, she empathizes with him and his feelings of remorse/ guilt.

 

I both hope you are right and don't. From a narrative perspective, if the Jedi didn't actually do anything bad....this story begins to crumble at the seams and Mae just looks like a cartoon villain. If there is more to it, we have Jedi not being Jedi. Pick your poison.

 

I see nothing poisonous about some Jedi doing the wrong thing once, and being guilt-wracked by it. It's a massive, complex galaxy with tens of thousands of years of interstellar history. Sometimes a few good monks are gonna do a few bad things.

 

Right now I’m on team Jedi Did Nothing Wrong

 

Team Good Intentions but didn't live up to Jedi ideals when things went awry.

 

Team Jedi Done ****ed Up

 

This really is not supported by anything we saw. The one exception being Torbin, who is probably also the one who ****** up.

 

If it comes to burning a group of women, poisoning a group of women, anything other than showing up to discuss training some children amongst a group of women, I'm going to have to hard disagree.

 

The Jedi did something bad. The showrunner has been teased not being kind to the jedi. And she even mentioned in an interview that there seems to be this view that you can't make the jedi look bad, but when she went to Kathleen Kennedy with her idea about the jedi she was surprised and overjoyed that she gave it the go-ahead

 

I recommend you watch the fight scene from the first episode again. Especifically when she unmasks Mae and asks: "You... what are you doing here?". She tries to touch Mae's forehead but Mae flinches away. Indara's gaze wanders and she has a lost look in her eye. Then she actually pauses to ponder when Mae says a Jedi doesn't draw her blade unless prepared to kill.

 

Actually, the episode makes this ambiguous. The whole reason the witches want the girls to lie during testing is so they won't lose them to the Jedi.

On top of this, the Jedi shouldn't even be demanding the right to test the girls because they are outside the bounds of the Republic.

So at the very least they are going outside the law here and putting pressure on a community that legally they have no right to do.

And the witches interpret this as all coming down to whether or not the girls pass the test.

 

The other way to interpret that is to prove that the witches aren't training them.

And Indara says, very explicitly, that she won't take the children for training without Aniseya's permission. That seemed unambiguous to me.

 

No, Indara says she won't test the children without permission.

What the Jedi would actually do with the children after testing is left ambiguous from the episode.

 

Yes, I’m okay with some ambiguity on whether Anakin was conceived by the Force or manipulated by the Sith.

I remember seeing a deleted portion of the script of ROTS, Sidious straight up tells Anakin he is ‘his father’ because he manipulated the midi-chlorians to create him.

I’m glad it wasn’t explicitly stated like that, although there still might be some wriggle room to claim Sidious was lying.

Either way, I don’t think it cheapens Anakin to have twins like Mae and Osha also created through unnatural means.

 

In which case the implication may be that the test will expose Aniseya and the coven as having trained the children. And even so, the Jedi ask for permission to do it.