Mini Series The Acolyte 1.04 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Bigger question is why? Why reveal himself to the Jedi here and now? If he’d left Mae can’t explain the killing of the Wookiee. That’s where I thought things were leading and I liked that added complication at a time when that character was ready to face the music for what she had done.

Instead of leaving her to explain he appears and takes on multiple Jedi. Why? Does he expect Mae will fall back in line again if he shows her his power? Will she abandon her plan to come clean and join him to challenge them? She’s only shared her thoughts with Quimir and might think she can just deny anything he’d tell the man in black if he said anything, or might believe Quinir is too weak to RAT her out. If so, maybe she joins him again due to the circumstances and that’s why they cut.

This reveal of the man in black would have gone down better on a binge also. People have a week to collectively analyze every breadcrumb.

 

@Ender_and_Bean thats a good point. it seemed like the ending was going to be Mae getting set up for the murder. maybe should have ended with the Master looming in the trees watching.

also something else i found odd, was the Master not killing Osha. maybe he is not giving up on Mae, and he knew killing her sister would not be something she would go along with. but that's kind of at odds with how dark-siders typically operate.

 

Too weak for what?!?!?

 

That probably won't work if he is Qimir -- and he most likely is.

But I'd assume he gave up on Mae and saw an opportunity in Osha. Mae is still too attached to Osha -- enough to abandon her quest for revenge against the Jedi and to abandon her master, and Osha has a lot of resentment against Mae. Perhaps he makes Osha murders her sister in anger.

Or, if Osha learns whatever the Jedi did with the witches all those years ago, she can turn against the Jedi. We've seen in the flashback that all Mae wanted was to be together with Osha forever, and Osha wanted her own life, free from her sister.

Obligatory "If you will not turn to the dark side, then perhaps she will."

 

Well...The Sith is pretty much Qimir. Sooo...Perhaps because he knows Mae isn't going to complete the mission. It's not that he can just let Mae take the blame either. He now knows that she plans on fessing up to the Jedi and Republic, so the truth will be out in some form. Even if they think she did the murder, they'll still know more details about this dark sider. So he has to do it himself, right now. Kill all these Jedi now so that none of this gets out.

 

No they wouldn't have saved you from typing out these explanations
That movie was unsalvageable even with the deleted scenes.
And I find your last sentence a hypothesis that doesn't really have data to support it.

 

"The Sith have been extinct for a millennium" - Ki Adi Mundi.

Like, maybe the show will slaughter every Jedi character on the mission? I doubt it, but maybe.......

Some later revelation that this being is not a Sith, but they could toss 8 attacking Jedi with a flick of the wrist?

Mae's sudden turn is terrible writing. The plot involving the Wookiee Jedi is terrible writing.

Sol's interactions with Osha were alright. Yord was entertaining. Ranat was likely the highlight of the episode.

But that writing, boy o' boy. Yikes.

 

This was my favorite episode so far. I love all the little character interactions in this episode (Osha and Jecki, Osha thinking for a moment that Sol is asking her to rejoin the Order, Yord giving some wise words to Osha, everything between Mae and Qimir). Bazil was a fun addition. Khofar was a huge standout too. An absolutely gorgeous planet. Loved those tall trees. And that ending is one of the best cliffhangers I’ve seen in a long time. Easily a 10/10.

 

That episode was definitely a step up from the last one, that's for sure. I'm happy that the show is straight up telling us that there' is more to the Brendok story than initially shown. Mae starting a fire to some VERY flammable rocks that then led to the witches dying and the big metal thing blowing up felt awkward, weird, and clunky so it'll be nice to see what really happened.

I'm very intrigued to learn the full story now. That said as Screencrush joked on their latest video I wonder if Sol ends up getting killed before he can tell Osha the truth.

This episode REALLY wants us to believe that Qimir is the dude in the mask. Who knows if that's true or not but I'd be cool with that. And man how spooky and awesome was the master's entrance? That was great.

RIP Jedi Wookiee. Not at all surprised he was killed. Really looking forward to learning more about what happened with that character. Again as Screencrush points out we see the Wookiee fighting Torbin in a flashback. Presumably the witch possessed him and forced him to attack Torbin?

 

I don’t think Qimir being a Sith Lord is supposed to be some huge twist. I think the twist is that Dark Helmet is being set up as the Sith Master when in reality he’s just the Sith apprentice.

 

I don't know if Qimir is the Sith. That is one possibility. Personally, I think the Sith is a real apprentice that was probably trailing them and the plan just isn't complex. Infact, I think the plan is the same as the one Mae was carrying out, to kill the four Jedi. There is a connection between the twins and the witches. Maybe they were in the flashback episode somewhere, perhaps the mysterious hooded figure at the ceremony standing off to the side.

I think the Sith came out to get a good look at Osha and in the next episode is going to mainly go after Sol with ferocity and knock everyone else down like flies. Or they are trying to pull one on us with this cliffhanger ending and the Sith will simply have kidnapped Osha and have taken off at the opening of the next one.

 

Agree that's what it looks like to me!

 

Qimir is most likely the Sith Apprentice and Sith Master will be the real twist

 

Oh I just thought of something wild. Mae is supposed to kill a Jedi a without a weapon. Well what if her “turn” is a manipulation intended to force her master to kill Kalnacca. I mean killing a Jedi through manipulating someone into doing it for you is absolutely something a Sith would do. Maybe Mae passed the test after all.

 

I wonder if it was the opposite. Killing a Jedi without a weapon is the Apprentice's lesson. And he's using Mae to achieve it. He tells her that she is failing and how is she going to complete the task, but its really him succeeding. That is ... until she tells him outright that she won't do it anymore and is going to run to the Jedi and fess up everything. So he has to take matters into his own hands. Failing...but no choice.

For this to be Mae manipulating her own "Master", when he's not around, and has no way of getting back to him that quickly ... seems like a stretch on her part to plan.

 

That may explain the swift/anticlimatic and rushed "turn scene" and the fact that something seemed off to me in the way she was acting it...it would be genius from her!

 

Another solid episode. Some good character moments, but man…I still find Yord pompous and annoying

I really enjoyed that horror movie reveal of the Sith, out of focus but floating down behind Osha. Really creepy.

I do think Mae’s decision to turn her back on the master to be rather…sudden. And she seems really naive to think the Jedi wouldn’t arrest her since she had information they would want. Like…you still killed two Jedi. You’re not going to get to plea bargain out of that.

 

Yes I mean it would be Mae manipulating Qmir because she is suspecting something ( I felt like she was dubious of him during that forest trek) and trying out her theory to see if it works and he does it humself...not necessarily because she thinks he is the master but more because she is realizing he knows too much so he must be an apprentice or such...

 

That would be the only way to make Mae make sense.

We can hope

 

Unless she has already sensed that Qimir is the Sith. Remember the way she reacted when he overpowers her. So she tells him she’s going to turn herself in to Kalnacca knowing that Qimir won’t want that and will thus kill Kalnacca before she gets there.

 

My thoughts:
Qimir is the Sith Apprentice
Osha set the fire, not Mae
Mae's turn is genuine
Osha is gonna end up as the Acolyte, and Mae will likely be dead. If she joined the Jedi, she'd nark on the whole Sith thing and that won't work with TPM.

 

Crap. Can an admin please change that to “rat her out!” I didn’t see this and it is too late for me to edit.

EDIT: Nevermind. I can still edit it.

 

It's so obvious that Qimir is the Sith Lord, that in the end, it isn't.

 

It’s Palpatine-like. Obvious to us for seeing everything he’s up to but less obvious to others due to how how he is around them. He’s probably also not the Master. He’s the apprentice. Hopefully the first apprentice of Plagueis. Manny is doing a great job of making everyone underestimate Quimir though. Different from Palpatine but with some similarities that were hopefully learned from Plagueis.

 

I enjoyed it... some good Jedi temple stuff which took me right back to ROTS... and I defo like the Sith dude. Overall I'm positive about this show, but I agree with the criticisms that not all the budget is evident on screen... it has some decidedly dodgy editing and pacing issues, and some of the sets really look like sets. Ultimately, where I think this suffers is that (like most of the other shows) it doesn't suit the 30 minutes a week template. If last weeks episode and this weeks had been a single hour long episode, it would have allowed for better pacing IMO.

In regards of the motivation of the Sith (and I'm kind of assuming the writing is on point), we have to remember that whomever the Sith Master is, he/she/it has circa 1000 years of knowledge, wisdom and dark side power (levitation... I like it). The Sith Master is pulling the strings and setting one big honey trap (which I suspect is specifically linked to Osha)... OR... the Jedi Council are going to cover it all up and try to forget about it to prevent having to deal with a new paradigm.