Mini Series Official “The Acolyte” Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Didn’t he also say in that same interview that he’d also be open to r-rated stuff, tho?

 

Says there is an audience for it so maybe he says.

 

I think if an idea strikes that they think really ****ing works and it needs to really ****ing work. I would be okay with an R rated Star Wars movie. But they need to know it’s a banger

 

I think an R rated would work for an Old Republic era story focusing on just the Sith on Korriban.

R rating means the makers don’t have to hold back on showing the dark side of Sith civilization, the training of new Sith, and the infighting.

 

Why not? As long as the moral core of Star Wars is there (i.e. no siding with fascists, etc), the sky's the limit.

 

I really don’t want an R rated Star Wars film.

 

The only think R-rated in Star Wars, I think would work would either be an r-rated Mace Windu movie just for langauge or a General Grevious origin story

Or maybe a horror film

 

Why would a Mace Windu film need an R rating? Just because he's played by Sam Jackson doesn't mean he'll be cussing throughout the whole thing. That would be totally out of character anyway.

 

Won’t ever happen. Disney would never have the stones to tell a story like that, not without tempering folk’s expectations and adding some cheesy infantile story of how the Sith are evil(we know they are) and must be destroyed or redeemed.

Remember when tons of fans were excited when the Acolyte was a “Sith-centric” series from the point of view of the Sith? I do. Remember when they said we’d be fighting for the Empire and playing as a loyal Imperial crushing what they believe we to be Rebel terrorists in Battlefront II?I do, and stopped playing it once Iden Versio turned coat.

We can talk about Kylo Ren, Agent Kallus, Commander Cody, Crosshair, Ventress, or any other long-list of Empire or Sith characters that turner coat and joined the other side.

Disney won’t do a story like that. If HBO had the rights to it, it would’ve been a welcome possibility. But regrettably unless it’s books or even games, Disney have the courage to tell a full-fledged dark side story. But at least we have legends and Old Republic mmo.

It would be nice to get a story of a Sith apprentice starting from scratch. Imagine a young man or woman having to overcome their challenges and traumas by clawing their way to the top in pursuit of empowerment, the relentless championing of self and the drive to make a destiny for themselves? That would make an interesting story because the character themselves are at their lowest point all while learning Sith philosophy and wrestling with the fact that they might not be the one to introduce a galaxy-wide government but determined to make every step count. The intrigue and infighting, as well as many other fascinating Sith lore would make for a good story.

But alas, this is not a story Disney will tell you.

 

It’s one of the great things about the Old Republic eras, not just Jedi vs Sith/Mandos, but the various kinds of Sith vs Sith.

You cant do much of that post Old Republic because of the Rule of Two…..

But with Old Republic you could get…

1. As mentioned earlier the grueling nature of Sith training.

2. Sith civil war. Really hammering the message that the worst enemy for the Sith are themselves.

I wish the Acolyte was just about the Sith master and apprentice (and an Acolyte whom the apprentice hopes become his apprentice one he is master) so we could still see some Sith training and eventual Sith vs Sith.

 

I agree. Old Republic is fertile ground for storytelling and writers won’t be backed into a corner or constrained since they’ll have tons of liberty to craft a story.


Don’t get me wrong I’d love to see more Sith training in-depth, and there’s almost no limit compared to Rule of Two era Sith. I’d still like to see the Sith on a more personal level when there’s no active wars.


Hell I know I’m greedy it would be amazing to see an Old Republic Sith show and expand upon that several centuries later with a Rule of Two Sith story that’s a spiritual successor to it. A new generation of Sith learning from the shadows of the past ones.

Do you have a link to this podcast? If true. This doesn’t surprise me one bit. Even in projects he’s not making, Filoni has to be making changes. I remember when he killed off Pong Krell without developing him prior because he didn’t want kids dressing up for Halloween only to he disappointed at his eventual turn to the dark side. Still doesn’t stop kids from dressing up as Vader, right?

Explains the mind chip for the clones, too. Easier to make them mind-controlled “baddies” than the legends version.

Wish James Luceno had some involvement.

 

John Rocha says Leslye Headland originally had a much darker vision of the series but it was altered and softened by Dave Filoni and other Lucasfilm executives who decided to take it in a more YA direction.

 

Absolutely. They could fit a hundred more Project Luminouses into the Old Republic "era" if they wanted to. The vast majority of that time even pre-dates the Sith.

Not surprising, but I'd be curious to know what form that "softening" took. I think The Acolyte in its current form strikes a good balance.

 

Guess we can’t have nice things. Who wants to bet we get more space wolves and space owls in the Acolyte and Ahsoka’s ancestor making an appearance

 

If that Rocha quote is accurate that's a real bummer. It's not surprising given that some of the criticisms I have with the show would apply to most/all of Filoni's work too.


At least Gilroy has enough pull/cache to do his own thing with Andor.

 

And looked how Andor turned out.

Chef’s. Kiss.

 

I have no idea who John Rocha is and I don’t care. I’m liking The Acolyte the way it is.

 

Spent lunch chatting with coworkers and Acolyte came up for the first time. All of us admitted to watching it and really enjoying it. (There's a good mix of ST lovers, ST haters, PT lovers and haters at work) ... And then discussed how trashed it was getting online.

Then we dug into Sith theories and how this thing all ends.

 

Darth Bortles, his name is Darth Bortles. I just read, and sure it could be just internet silliness, but zipper face's name is Darth Bortles. There is clearly some SW AI just for coming with these names. Bortles does not instill fear, just an urge to giggle. Please, someone tell me this isn't true.

 

Sounds like an Acolyte support group.

Hi, my name is @MotivateR5D4, and I watched the Acolyte.

 

Who the hell is "John Rocha" and why do so many people care?

If this was someone important, StarWarsLeaks would have talked about it. First time hearing about it. Some no-name YouTuber with 5k viewers average. Very valid source.

Oh, and also, since Filoni is the Chief Creative Officer at Lucasfilm, that means he has to approve and give notes to your precious Andor, too. It's not like I am a big fan of Filoni's live-action work, or even his work outside of George Lucas' direct guidance, but this cherry-picking in regards to Andor reminds me of all that bs when George Lucas became public enemy #1, and it turned out he actually never had anything to do with anything good, and it was his wife who saved the first film, and he was at all not involved with ESB, yada yada, all that made up crap to justify people's hatred.

 

Darth Bortles is great. I’ve seen all the haters making fun of “Smilo Ren”. I say give Darth Bortles his own damn show!

Can’t wait to see him wreck the Jedi next week!

edit: The thing about Darth Bortles is that it’s a reference to a show. It isn’t his real Sith name. Beware, spoilers ahead:

Spoiler

Bortles is a reference to Manny Jacinto’s character in another series, who is obsessed with Blake Bortles, a professional Football player. Manny Jacinto keeps mentioning Bortles. Manny Jacinto, aka Qimir, is leaked to be the Sith Lord in The Acolyte. Hence Darth Bortles

 

John Rocha is the host of the Jeff Sneider podcast The Hot Mic which is one of the best movie podcasts around. Rocha is obviously not as connected as Jeff but he’s broken plenty of scoops on the show himself.

 

I guess I can hold, whatever this emotion is, back until Barth Bortles is official. Now, I kind of want it to be Darth Bortles. If Grogu is a valid choice in the GFFA, then who am I complain about Bortles.