Mini Series The Acolyte 1.05 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

This episode was pretty entertaining. The action was great. I’m a fan of our sith villain so far, but he might be an apprentice or even an acolyte himself. I think there’s a bigger fish, but as to why they are revealing themselves now we will have to see

 

It was wild. Good, bad, surprising, etc. all in one episode. RIP Jecki. You were my favorite.

 

He wasn’t the one killing them, it was his acolyte who had a grudge against them, giving him a cover if she failed.

I’m guessing the reason he got involved in this episode was because he was afraid Mae would spill the beans. That’s why he was so desperate to kill her and leave no witnesses

Jecki was fighting without a weapon as well

It causes a feed back loop in lightsabers which shorts them out for a moment, it can also dissipate blaster shots. It’s easy to break so it’s only really useful against lightsabers in close combat unless it’s mixed with other materials.

It originated in the EU

 

Yord looked like he was trying to throw hands by shorting out Quirem's saber too.
That might have been a mistake on his part, though...

Does anyone else feel mildly frustrated that this show was willing to use a deep cut like Cortosis as a (very cool) plot point, but they were unwilling to use the term Teräs Käsi even once? "Force Fu" just doesn't do it for me.

 

Turns out I wasn't the only one who thought it made zero sense for Sol and Jekki to be MIA at the beginning of the episode.

 

I had similar thoughts about that line but the thing that gives me pause is that he obviously has enough training to at least dual a Jedi master skilled enough to train other Jedi to a draw. That implies a master of his own that’s pretty proficient in physical combat and force usage, which doesn’t feel consistent with a random dark sider. There’s clearly another shoe to drop tying everything back to the fire.

 

This was good. Much better than previous episodes. Action scenes were sick and the writing actually improved.
Also HELL YEAH that

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Kylo ren theme playing near the end

Only problem really was

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Sol leaving their comrades' bodies behind

... I mean what the hell? Lmao

 

I was surprised by this as well. Wonder if the show will ever mention that again. Quite possibly not.

 

do you mean the first spoiler or the second spoiler i mentioned?

 

Second one.

 

There was a slight time skip between the previous episode and this one, we're seeing it from Osha's POV after being knocked out.

 

Wow, just when I thought this show was too predictable it subverted my expectations with this one. The action was great. This episode goes hard only anwsering the question of who Mae's master is but leans into the now blazing question of what happened in Sol's past and what the other half of the story is that claimed the witches.

Could it that Sol slaughtered them similar to Anakin with the Tuskin raiders? Or, maybe he sat back and watched Torbor do it. I'm sure Sol's lack of a reaction to Qimir saying he might be a Sith is going to get paid off later. In the Jedi meeting last episode there was a discussion they believed a Jedi has trained Mae. But it may be that with everything that just happened, Sol just didn't care what Qimir said he was. He lost it and cared more about putting down this murderous psychopath taunting him.

I'm sorry I'm struggling to care about what Qimir is going to do with Osha. With Jecki and Yord having kicked it, it's up to Sol and Mae to carry the show. Sol's had a bad run with Padawans, hasn't he? His old one dropped out and may be dead. His latest one, just a child was just killed right in front of him. I'm sure he knows the switch happened. I'm sure he knows Mae is going to kill him. Maybe Sol wants her to kill him at this stage. Watch them go flip the conversation about it being impossible to kill someone unarmed. When Mae draws a familiar yellow lightsaber and Sol invites her to come at him unarmed without putting up any sort of fight.

 

Somehow I'm having trouble imagining the possibility of gleaning even the tiniest, most infinitesimal inkling of a shadow of a fraction of a coherent insight from that YouTube video based on the thumbnail.

 

Anakin foreshadowing.

 

Why does it make the Jedi look “really awful” to prevent a story from getting out that could contribute to the galaxy seeing them as highly vulnerable, and precipitate increasing threats against them? I understand that it makes them practical, politically-aware, less than idealistic, and willing to sacrifice transparency for security. But to me that doesn’t equal “really awful.” To me, it equals “insecure.” And as such, protective. Yes, it takes a little shine out of their reputation. But they’re still defenders of peace and justice in the galaxy. It’s just that they’re realistic, and are protecting their institution. So they can continue to defend peace and justice.

Think of it like a human rights organization that in order to protect human rights defenders in an authoritarian country, doesn’t publish an incident where some of their team are killed because it will expose other members of their team on the ground, and get them killed. And perhaps lead to a cleansing. It’s not an ideal action, and it’s a little icky, but you’re acting like it’s the equivalent of the Jedi committing a massacre themselves.

Zero sense? The episode starts with Osha waking up from being knocked out. Therefore, we can assume that Sol and Jecki were also knocked out. Only that they got knocked out…for longer. Maybe they hit their heads harder, against a stone or something, while Osha didn’t? The sense in this is totally logical. I imagine the writers were aware of this in their discussions, and so decided that the sense level was at about a 9 out of 10, as opposed to zero.

People keep saying this, but Sol did react. He said “why risk discovery?” Therefore implying that he knows what a Sith is, and that they wouldn’t want to risk discovery. And as I think you’re implying, he may have been aware of the Sith’s return during the operation on Brendock. Looking forward to seeing what the rest of the story is. A mystery done right, in my view.

 

I don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse or if you’re just unfamiliar with Star Wars lore generally, but you do know the Sith have been around all this time and are not extinct like the Jedi believe? The Sith’s whole raison detra is to have revenge against the Jedi and wipe them out. This isn’t new… so I’m perplexed as to what your issue is?

There is no ‘internal inconsistency’… what you describe is not the meaning of the word ‘inconsistent’. The Sith are uber warriors. Qimir is like the SAS version of a regular soldier. In this scene he is taking on Jedi Knights, padawans and a *single* master (who he does not defeat). There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about Jedi being despatched by a highly skilled Sith warrior when we’ve seen Jedi killed, throughout Star Wars, by droids, clonetroopers and bounty hunters. Jedi are not, and never have been, impregnable (see ROTS).

Clearly not. Sol defeats Qimir. Were you not watching?

 

Also, we are specifically shown scenes from the Jedi Temple of their defensive training in this series. That's intentional to show they weren't prepared for taking an offensive stance. They aren't accustomed to fighting in real combat, or to the death, against someone else with a lightsaber. The person they were tracking for killing Jedi had also not used a lightsaber to do so, so they certainly weren't prepared for the possibility of fighting a Sith (or some other powerful dark side user) in lightsaber combat.

Meanwhile 4 Masters who were anticipating the possibility of lightsaber combat against a Sith, including a Council member, were still rather unsuccessful.

 

I rate it 10/10.

I rembember enjoying their takes. But now i feel like they struggle to even talk about Star Wars anymore. Harloff had said 10 times now he wants Apple to buy Star Wars from Disney, lol. I think they should like we all say just take a break from their fandoms.

 

True enough, but for now, I find there to be too much of an (apparent!) mismatch between what we know from the PT and what we see in this episode.
- His stated goal is to "live free." That's not what the PT Sith want, they have much clearer goals; they want to "revenge" themselves to the, Jedi and to "rule the galaxy."
- For this plan to work, presumably, by the the time of the PT, the Sith have existed in secret until the time was right (which, as you know, was TPM). So, like Sol said, why risk discovery? This is really a biggie, to my mind.
- He claims he has no name. It's possible he wants to keep his Darth name to himself, but why hide his Darth name while he claims to be a Sith at the same time?

So, mystery. Obviously this will all be explained in future episodes, but it's certainly keeping me engaged. As for who trained him, one hypothesis could be that he's a bit of a reject; at one point he was an apprentice, then he got rejected in favor of someone else, and now he's just living to raise a bit of havoc. IOW, just like resurrected-Maul in TCW.

Obviously I could be completely wrong here, but it's fun speculating.

 

They should've made Qimir an alien, being a human is underwhelming IMO.

 

Yes, the plot is a bit messy when it comes to Mae's motivations.

We can always come up with explanations for her behavior, but I do think that they should have already resolved some ambiguities by now.
For example, I feel like the show gave us conflicting messages about whether her priority is to kill the Jedi, or she's really not so obsessed with it after all, and she'd be just fine with reuniting with Osha and run away.
Also, taking Osha's place does not seem to be a very wise move, unless she's focused on killing Sol off, though we would have thought that she had moved past that goal when she wanted to surrender to the wookie?

 

When he was speaking of how an Acolyte should be able to kill without using a weapon, what if he was speaking about himself? What if the key trickery here was Quimir getting Mae to kill four Jedi masters on his behalf so that he could receive credit from his true master? And in so doing, gain his Sith name? Even if she used weaponry to do it, he didn't touch them. He was completely hands free.

Mae was never anything more than Qimir's Ventress. A disposable asset who would never be allowed to acquire genuine Sith knowledge. In other words, a total sucker.

 

Yeah I think he is the apprentice's apprentice and potentially already a failed one at that. If not already this near failure may lead the Apprentice (Plags) to kill him or an order from the master to do so. (Tenebrous)

 

I mean I know I'm referencing something many here don't like(the EU), but there we saw a large team of Jedi take heavy losses at Galidraan from an army of Mandalorians.

So the idea that 8 Jedi being killed could only have been done by the Sith doesn't hold up for me.