Mini Series The Acolyte 1.05 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I don't buy these theories about Sol somehow being a darksider. It's much more simple than that: He did something to the Coven that he regrets.

The show introduced this idea about how the Coven created the Twins, so I suspect this must be the reason the Jedi go too far on Brendok.

The show goes out of its way to raise the question of what would the Jedi DO if they found out. To me, that's the answer.

 

That feels like several different motivations all at same time. So she wasn't turning herself in for her sister or whatever, it was protection from the dark sith lord?

 

I agree. I’m just throwing out multiple theories so I have a higher chance of being right with one of them.

 

When we talk about desires and motivations, we have to distinguish surface desires and deep yearnings.

Wanting to save your life is a surface desire. It has nothing to do with how you want to live your life. It's just basic survival.

On the other hand, deep motivations are longing for connection with family. So it's perfectly fine and normal for characters to have both, and in fact, we can see how they work together:

Surviving the Sith Lord is necessary if you want to reunite with your sister.

 

I'll do you one better. What if Qimir is Sol's son and Qimir is all, "I...am your son!" God help us if that happens.

On that note, the show suggests that Qimir and Sol knew each other in the past. So in addition to Sol admitting that he and the Jedi did something bad on Brendok we're also going to learn that Sol did something to wrong a younger Qimir? So they'll be hitting that same plot point twice? What's the benefit of doing that? I guess it would give Qimir, the big bad some some personal, emotional connection to Sol but why bother with that when Osha and Mae are already serving that purpose?

 

No, this is never suggested. Qimir only suggests that they have met before, and they have -- at the apothecary store.

Don't be so easily taken in by Headland's strategy of the banal.

Most of these "mysteries" are just red herrings with ordinary, logical explanations.

 

Yeah I heard that same theory on Screencrush but maybe that's what it's supposed to mean but man would that be stupid. In that moment Qimir is still wearing his mask and his voice sound totally different. Sol can't obviously recognize Qimir when he's got his helmet on and his voice is augmented and as Qimir points out his helmet prevents Sol from reading his mind. I guess Qimir's "you don't remember me" line is Qimir's attempt at a joke?

 

you some how attached my name to something I didn't say.

 

But obviously for her to change her mind and not go on to kill more Jedi she had a change of heart. Come to some sort of revelation. One that meant she was willing to turn her back on her master. So then she leaves her master and decides to turn herself in for protection only to find out a few jedi couldn't defeat him. Well one did but anyway. But even then when her sister turns her down she decides to switch places with some probable motive in mind against the jedi? Leaving her sister alone unconscious to be found by dark sith guy.

 

Sorry, must have had an old quote of yours left in draft that got mixed in.

 

She didn’t want to turn herself into the Jedi because she did a 180 on her opinion of them and felt she needed to face justice, she wanted to turn herself in because she knows how they work and it had benefits in her situation. The Jedi have rules, even for murder they’ll be obligated to give her a fair trial as opposed to her master who has no qualms about killing her on the spot for simply trying to walk away. And she has information she knows the Jedi desperately want, so she feels like she can bargain with them for a lighter penalty in exchange for her master’s identity. Once the Jedi have this knowledge, she knows their top priority will be to hunt him down and neutralize him, which serves her as well as he will no doubt seek to kill her for betraying him, so she needs him eliminated. By the end of the fight however, the Jedi have already unmasked Qimir on their own and he’s possibly dead anyways, not to mention they falsely believe she killed Kalnacca as well. There’s no longer an upside that’s worth offsetting the risk.

 

Why? So that this show loses all credibility?

 

I feel it is more likely her conversation with Osha revealing how her sister has remembered the fire reignited her desire to kill Sol.

 

Or Qimir. "You don't remember" or whatever the actual quote was... clearly Qimir thinks Sol should recognize him and he hasn't been shown to have been with the coven at the time of the fire. Maybe there is a male equivalent to the coven like with the Nightsisters/Nightbrothers relationship and Qimir is from the latter? Although, after what he did to Jecki, I think I'm ok with him being green smoke now haha. #justiceforJekci

 

Way ahead of ya both!

 

dp

 

Why would the show lose credibility for that though? No one says the Jedi had to do something right after they find these witches using the force in unnatural ways.

Whether the witches are made to look innocent or not innocent. This show really feels like the dark secret of a bunch of jedi.

 

They were already shown to have evil tendencies, having temporarily possessed Torbin against his will. So I don’t know what Daxon’s on about. Not the first time.

 

The jedi did something and the witches over reacted.

 

Possessing Torbin against his will is not a big deal. Did they actually make him do anything bad or was it all a display of power for the witches. if anything it adds more of a reason as to why the jedi would act in a way that may not be good. If the force is used in such a way maybe the Jedi wanted to put a stop to it. The whole gate keeping message.

The moment it becomes self-defence I think it becomes less of a dark secret. And I don't know if the show is planning to go light with such a reveal like that.

But like I said, we will see. Thats just my theory.

 

That’s definitely a factor but I’m saying she didn’t go “I hate the Jedi->I like the Jedi->I hate the Jedi again”. She went “I hate the Jedi->I’m willing to work with the Jedi to accomplish my ultimate goal->I can’t have my goal and I blame the Jedi for it”

 

Another terrible take to justify your existing bad take. They took over his brain against his will as a means of threatening the other Jedi. Could have damaged him permanently, and had Aniseya allowed it, he could have been killed. And Koril was ready to kill. So again, they have already been shown to have some evil tendencies. So your “they won’t dare show this feminist society in a bad light because Headland’s woke” stance is a whole lot of nonsense. And yet you keep repeating it.

 

True, in principle -- but the concern then would be, if one diverts from the plan, can they stick with it? If one apprentice strays from the plan, and they become master, they wouldn't instruct their own apprentice accordingly. Though OTOH:

I do really like this idea.

Well, true.

My point is that the whole plot of the series is based on the risk of exposing the Sith. Mae killing Jedi risks exposing the Sith. The question, then, becomes why?

That was my point exactly.


On an entirely different note, I vaguely recall that Leslye Headland said somewhere that this show will show "how the Sith infiltrated the Jedi" or somesuch. We might very well be at the beginning of that point; Mae is infiltrating the Jedi. She's not a Sith -- yet. If Qimir is not an actual Sith, perhaps Mae might get recruited by the "real" Sith.

 

So a power display that has a threat to it. But they did not actually kill anyone? In the end its gonna come down to what makes the final call that ends these witches lives. The jedi come out just fine it seems. Although one is incredibly suicidal from it all for some reason.

 

Yeah, but the point you made is that the showrunner won’t dare show the witches as having any negative traits. When Headland has already done exactly that. In episode 3.