Mini Series Qimir the Stranger, who some may call a Sith and may or may not be a former smuggler

Nemodian or Muun for Plagueis...

 

I would only want Plagueis to be alien if they really nail the effects.

As for Plagueis vs. Tenebrous, I can't really see the upshot of choosing Tenebrous over Plagueis. I can, only if they planned multiple seasons of The Acolyte, then it would be interesting to see power pass on from one master to the next, and the various Sith personalities and/or different approaches.

But since they're not likely to have more than a season or two (hope I'm wrong), why not just do Plagueis? The Acolyte could work really well as a prequel to TPM.

 

Nah... Gungan.

 

I'm not really a fan of the Muun design for Plagueis. It looks like someone took a frying pan to their face. They're kind of silly looking. Which is fine for a SW alien. But not so much for a Dark Lord of the Sith.

The only time it looked half way decent was this fan cg model.

 

So I haven't read any of the comics featuring the Knights of Ren but I skimmed through the Wookieepedia article out of curiosity since Lesley Headland recently confirmed Kylo Ren's theme was used in The Acolyte. I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I came across this:

Source: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Knights_of_Ren#Membership

This sounds familiar...

The idea that Qimir is a Knight of Ren, possibly the first, is starting to sound pretty compelling. His requirement for Mae to kill specific targets, which doesn't seem to be a regular requirement for Sith membership, could turn into this Knight of Ren tradition. Maybe Qimir will be something like a Disney canon version of Darth Millennial - a Sith who has a philosophical falling out and creates his own dark side order.

 

Looking for the best place to post and not get my hand slapped. To date, any attempt at mixing sexy with SW just made me cringe. With the Acolyte 1.6 that has ended. For those that feel Qimir's seduction of Osha isn't sexual, I understand. I disagree. Osha's a young force sensitive lady faced with a lovely looking, seemingly age appropriate, powerful man, saying all the right things. It's a good seduction.

 

There's definitely a sexual component to the seduction. You'd have to be blind or celibate not to notice.

Plus, Headland admitted that a fan fic had basically predicted this element.

 

Already saw some posts on Reddit about Qimir actually being Darth Vectivus. Haven't seen the new episode so far, but it seems from what i read that this theory has some merit. What do you think?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Darth_Vectivus

 

I mean if you read enough fanfiction anything is predicted eventually. There are something like 700,000 fanfictions about Star Wars across the internet if you include stuff like here, AO3, Wattpad, Fanfiction.net.

 

Osha has to be at least 24 years old. So call it inapropriated would be extremely prudish.
The problem, talking placing the post, is actually Osha: she is a weird character.
After leaving the Order she shouldn't be in the "mental" place she is. And Qimir has a point: why, as a former Jedi, can only go so far? As a civilian she believed that she felt in love she would go to the dark side still ? It's both odd and wrong

 

Interesting idea. The machinery does make odd noises that cause some concern among the witches earlier in the episode. Rewatching it, I assumed it might be the stranger sneaking around. But it may be more than that.

I do think the stranger or a still unseen Sith Lord taught the witches the ability to create life so that they would perform the act themselves, thereby drawing the Jedi’s attention to them instead of to the Sith. Once the children were old enough, the Sith came back to collect. Perhaps it was even a “one for you, one for me” deal.

If Darth Plagueis does show up, I just hope they do him justice, regardless of what he looks like. They’ve done well with the stranger, but I definitely don’t get the feeling that he’s a Sith Master. In fact, we’ve only ever seen one Sith Master in Star Wars canon, so the appearance of a second one is quite significant. Extra points if he has a similar appearance/disfigurement to Darth Sidious.

One interesting alternative for the state of the Sith in this series, too, is that they really have been extinct for almost 900 years and will be reborn in the course of the series. That’s not how Lucas intended it, nor how the EU interpreted this time period, but there’s nothing on film that would contradict this. I’m not necessarily a fan of this alternative, but I do think it’s interesting, and the stranger does give off a certain vibe that he could be instrumental in the rebirth of the Sith as a viable order.

 

Or maybe just a different opinion than you.

Headland also said she loved the seduction of Anakin as told to us by Obi-wan in ANH. Was that romantic?

Qimir and Osha might have a bond, or a relationship. But that doesn't mean it's necessarily ... romantic. Qimir definitely sees himself in Osha, or at least wants Osha to believe that. He wants to get her to want the same things as him - freedom. Probably in order to get her to do his bidding down the road. Qimir in the bath, was showing 100% vulnerability to Osha, while at the same time making her realize that she was in no way shape or form a threat to him. He was showing how powerful and FREE he was. That he didn't have to abide by rules. That he didn't care about anyone but himself.

But of course, I'm sure when Osha takes a lightsaber to his throat and is one step from killing him, that's - what - just some romantic foreplay to you?

See. You want to see what you want to see as well. (Which oddly is what Qimir actually states in the episode)

If anything, the Sith bond, is always an unhealthy one. It's abusive. It's manipulative. It's dominating and submissive. It's not an equal partnership or alliance. It's certainly not loving. Which is why the "Master' has to seduce or trick the apprentice into joining, and the apprentice always wants to kill the Master, almost immediately. Both are power hungry. Both want to be the Master. Palpatine wasn't really Vader's friend in the OT, even though he often said "my friend" when addressing him, or tried to act like the father he never had when seducing him in ROTS. And Palpatine was working very hard to get Luke to kill his 'friend' of 20 plus years, because he needed a new 'friend', who didn't have cyborg legs and asthma. Friends don't do that. Same goes for the ST too, although thanks to some questionable and inconsistent writing, that story doesn't even know what story it wants to tell.

 

I'm sure Qimir is using seduction as a tool, whether you find it sexual or not. We don't know, but because he is Sith, I doubt there is sincerity. He wants Osha. It reminds me of the way a procurer might seduce a future working girl. Or an internet predator. I may admire the seduction, but it is one of the worst kinds of evil.

 

I think Qimir is taking the “seduced by the Dark Side” thing a bit literally.

Dude was just letting it all hang out there right in front of Osha.

 

You have to be literally blind not to see the sexual, erotic overtones in this episode. The internet clearly hasn't missed it.

Just a few virgins.

 

Dude, family-friendly forum and all that.

 

I didn’t really detect sexual tension between them, though the situation does have sexual subtext. Certainly he is working on her on different levels. When he’s bathing, he’s vulnerable, showing old wounds, but also physically impressive. He’s showing different aspects of power, power he also sees in Osha, and how he can use it to be in control of himself and others.

I think the sexual side to his seduction is more aimed at the audience, to be honest. Nobody making the show is naive about how those scenes play out or their effect on viewers. Whatever Qimir says sounds more appealing and reasonable because it’s coming from a beautiful man. And making the audience buy what the villain is saying is part of any competent storytelling.

I do think Headland underestimates how little the audience needs to side with the villain, though. Most audiences have been siding with Darth Sidious’s reframing of the Jedi for almost 20 years now, and he didn’t have remotely the same kind of effect Qimir has. So Headland may be making the Star Wars fandom more Sith-minded than it already is by making the villain even more appealing.

 

Part of me wonders if he might not be older than he looks. The whole “I was a Jedi a long time ago.”

Sheev cannot be the only Sith who can do that right?

 

Spoiler

If the theory he was Vern's apprentice, then he's most likely much older than he looks. We need a lot of missing pieces, back story, to really understand the mystery. What kind of cliffhanger(s) could this show leave us with?

 

When 900 years old you are, look as good you will not.

Well...maybe. With the power of the dark side.

 

Qimir’s comments about being a Jedi a long time ago also made me wonder if he’s older than he looks. If he is Darth Plagueis or knows some of his techniques, this could account for him being much older. But I also admit that I’m a bit “fantasy-brained,” and “a long time ago” could simply mean a decade or two in the past.

 

When Qimir was a Padawan he had to walk 10 miles to temple, barefoot, in the snow, uphill both ways.

They didn't even have wifi lightsabers at that point.

 

But he loved it!!!

 

Remember last week episode: when he faced Sol he asked if he didn't recognized him at all. Despite being a fair assumption Qimir was talking about the incident in Ep 2, the line could ( and probably should) mean they both met long before the events of the series. Maybe even as Jedi in the Order.