Mini Series The Acolyte 1.06 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

You described a thin plot. Something happened in the past that doesn’t get explained until the end. Typically there are twists and turns and shocking revelations with lots of red herrings that send things careening toward an unforeseen ending that no one saw coming. None of that has happened so far. Closest thing is Kelnacca already dead.
There’s still time.
I hope something huge and unbelievably clever/shocking happens in the final episodes that changes how I look at the first 6-7, with subtle clues along the way that I missed, giving it rewatch value.
I have little faith that will happen based on how the mysteries have been handled so far. But, it’s possible. I’m hoping.

 

Damn! I just noticed that Cortosis vein inside the cave on the island. When Osha examines the helmet and then look at the wall we see it. I missed it the first time

 

THIS

 

On paper, I don't know that I love the idea of Qimir as yet another fallen Jedi. To this point, it's been done nearly as much as the redeemed ex-Imperial. There's ample potential to really make it work, of course, but I think making it feel unique will be more important.

 

I'm not sure I buy this yet. Qimir might just be wildly gaslighting Osha to try to persuade her.

If he is really a Jedi, I suspect he is very ancient indeed and will turn out to be a really important Sith -- a Jedi who long ago chose to carry the Sith torch.

 

The dark side definitely favours caves! Very reminiscent of the one on Ahch-to. The whole landscape and colour was much the same. It's clearly a disused facility so I'm guessing it's a cortosis mine. Whatever it is, Sithmaster Flash gets his daily omega 3 count (and for anyone who didn't there was a big reveal in this episode? Only Osha can answer that!)

His pitch was quite compelling and sly. I'm assuming his master cut him loose after realising he was a bit of a Tom Riddle sort. And that master was Miss Whiplash? (who the hell uses a whip as a symbol of civility?)

Wearing that mask was very Vader-y. Is it supposed to be the turning point for Osha?

I thought it was a really good episode. No, Sol didn't spill the beans but that's fine because for me it's partially about how and where he does so for maximum dramatic effect. Calmly sitting on a log in a forest? A bit too Obi-Wanesque. Out in deep space, leaning ever so slightly menacingly over a restrained Mae with no Jedi in earshot? That's more like it. A bit creepy. Lucky Bazil's scrambling around like Scotty in a Jeffries tube then. They're not totally alone.

I like the way this series changes gears. It reminds me of ANH where we can watch slow treks across a desert, or a normal family meal, as well as space chases and ravine swings. I think watching this series all in one go will help here as the half-hour a week can probably seem frustrating in our binge era.

7/10

 

Okay, this is getting very intriguing. Really good episode, even though it literally just consisted of talking heads. But the short run times are killing me. And I am starting to think that Qimir is a loan wolf, as oppose to an apprentice himself. And yes, it is indeed starting to look as though Sol did do something pretty terrible.

 

That was a great episode. So much done in many good ways.

Overall, both Sol and Qimir - and their interactions with Mae/Osha were dramatic and quite intense. I thought Jedi Mog (?) was a nice counterpoint to Vernestra's seriousness too. Was pretty shocking to revisit the dead Jedi too.

Interesting parallels going in the the Qimir/Osha and Sol/Mae sections, such as Qimir is the one who is somewhat empowering and seducing while Sol is disempowering and confrontational. I imagine there's a few other contrasts to unpick too.

I thought the music seemed more SW-like in its use as well. The score generally fit well.

Throughly enjoyed it.

 

But a "lone wolf" could also be a Sith Master looking for an apprentice, and that's what Qimir seems to want more than anything -- a student.

Perhaps Qimir recently killed his own Master?

 

Unless there is a twist, which they haven't been all that clever with their twists, I feel like we know how this show is going to end. These episodes ain't particulaly long for all the information given and there is only 2 episodes left. And with Osha for example, if they are trying to make us wonder if she will become the new sith acolyte or not, well they are certainly holding on the big mystery reveal that could be what official makes her turn bad. And so far she hasn't expressed anything that offers that possibility other than the upcoming mystery reveal itself.

 

I feel like one of 3 things are going to happen with Quimir ahead.

1) They retcon legends and make him Plagueis or Tenenbrous. .

2) They make him the beginning of the Knights of Ren Order.

3) He’s just this series Moff Gideon villain with no significant ties to sith or Ren lore. Here to be killed and defeated and serve as antagonist with yet more cowardice from Lucasfilm to add to, alter, and contribute to known lore and just more no name villains who only matter to the series they’re in and nothing more.

I really hope it’s not the third option. I would honestly be okay with them retconning him as a known Sith who was formally alien in Legends because I like him. I don’t understand why they’re so consistently terrified to have TV series matter within significant lore. Filoni is like the only one who seems to want to really add to and build up lore.

 

Well Ahch-To is not, so the unkown planet is possibly

Spoiler

Bal'demnic

maybe...

 

What do you make of the fact that Headland says the show is about the Sith and that it has two Sith in it?

 

I don't see why this guy would be Plagueis. I could be wrong but i suspect if they ever did Plagueis he would be Muun. they are usually quite good with that sort of thing. they have done it with far lesser material without needing to change it.

Whether they add to Plagueis in a way that differs from legends, who knows, but I could honestly see them sticking to the design that's known to him in legends.

 

They'll use whatever design works for the story. The designs found in the comics/EU/Legends means very little when things are finally translated to screen.

If they wanted a Plagueis to appear human, with human emotions, as part of a human acolyte story ... they could easily do so. The stuff in legends are a guide at best. Elements to mine. Nothing more. They're not a law that needs to be followed.

 

And I’m fine with that so long as this guy is his master or perhaps somehow his first apprentice. Just tie him somehow to people we know are part of the larger saga. No more Moff Gideon stuff.

 

I read that there is an actor [a famous one] that we have yet to see. So I am expecting it to be Qimir's master.
And I hope it's not only his Sith master that he is hoping to displace... but an Alien [because I am personally tired of all the main characters being Human or Humanoid] -- meaning Plaguies or Tenebrous.
And - how about this?

Let's say it is Plaguies -- and he has the same problem Sidious had - trying to find a suitable apprentice.
So Qimir dies. Plaguies takes Osha as his apprentice. Osha dies.
Next up?
Shiv Palps

 

They ain't lore that needs to be followed. But Lucasfilm are usually pretty good with translating designs from legends or other sources into their shows and films. Its clear they take notice when it comes to where its from, even if its translated different as an idea. It doesn't have to be followed the same way, but they usually want it to be noticed.

 

David Harewood is confirmed to be in this show. His role is kept secret. So i bet he is playing a big Baddie.

 

Part of why Osha’s possible turn ahead may work for me is that when we first met her she was pretty much a loner. Being invited to things snd brushing them off. A computer was literally her best friend. People like that with trauma in their childhood tend to be more susceptible to radicalization.

We learned in this episode she failed her Jedi trials and then quit. So it’s not like she’s brimming with Jedi conviction any more. She has morality within her and has since she was a child but she’s also grown a bit jaded and seems to realize there’s more to Sol and what happened in her past than she remembered or was told. The anger she once had for her sister that was likely driving a lot of her choices — wanting to be the opposite of what her sister was or would do - and keeping her more interested in the Jedi has faded. She may now in fact be more curious to try things she thinks her sister has tried to better understand her.

She’s also stuck on an island with the villain who she saw naked (she literally looked down ) and could be attracted to him. I know some will dislike that possible angle as a way in which she could be gas lit and turned but this stuff does happen from bad, attractive men and women all the time. They can often charm people in unhealthy ways.

He is trying to make her curious about what the dark side has to offer and tempt her with the idea of a relationship between force users that’s different than Jedi Master and apprentice.

It’s really this curiosity angle that seems to be her first steps in. Once she finds out what Sol did it will be anger pushing her further in.

 

I think the talk of this show as a procedural mystery involving dead Jedi lead everyone in advance to think this was going to be like some David Fincher 7even type of thing where we wouldn’t see the killer until the end when caught but it really wasn’t that. That aspect of this show was basically only the setup. This show is really more about two twin sister force users who came from witches and may have witch knowledge within them having their culture taken away from them and their family killed by a group of people we typically don’t associate with such acts (Jedi) and two competing factions trying to offer them new force-related cultures instead. I think she will learn she has her old culture within her still and that she will choose to rediscover that.

In fact, I won’t even be surprised if this show literally ends with Osha training a new generation of witches to rebuild her own culture in secret as we then cut to what the Jedi council are thinking about these events and how they’re marking them down in their archives, and finally with the reveal of the dark side master and his thoughts on this entire chapter.

 

What if Darth Plagueis is the friends we met along the way?