PT The Rule of Two is a Stupid Idea.

Its the idea of what happens when you have many selfish, rage-filled and power-hungry people together. They don't get on because everyone is thinking only of themselves. So what do you do when your own religion is killing each other? Just let them die out? Or you attempt to define a way to survive.

And I know some people will say well it doesn't make sense for the sith to kill each other as it just reduces them... Well the point is that when people only think of themselves they don't care about anyone else.

 

Then how has this forum survived for 25+ years?!

 

There are some really good therapists out there.

 

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I keep saying that being a Sith is a losing proposition. The level of avarice and selfishness is astounding. It is an inevitability that they destroy each other. It's not a matter of if, but when.

 

Selfish people also tend to think they are exceptional and can beat the odds of inevitability.

 

I think Disney will change the Rule of Two in Acolyte in the Movies we dont know nothing about the Sith or the Rule of Two i always believed that the Sith became extinct because of a great battle they had with the Jedi Mace and Mundi seem certain that the Sith are extinct in TPM in the EU some Rule of Two Sith had fights with the Jedi but the Jedi always got killed or the Jedi believed the Sith got killed again but with Acolyte Yoda was alive during that time maybe Yoda knew nothing about the events of Acolyte maybe he was not part of the Jedi Council in Acolyte

 

True, but until he could do so successfully, Palpatine had to continue the traditions of the Sith.

The show isn't going to change anything other than maybe what the Sith Lords of the time looked like or were. The Acolyte may have been an ally to the Sith and the apparent Sith may or may not be the Sith. But the rule won't change.

 

I meant more like every single Sith is going to sign up thinking that they are going to kill their master and rule, and overcome the odds that they aren't going to be killed themselves. It's the first thought in Vader's head.

And that clearly isn't going to be the case for some/most of them. I think most Sith end up like Maul. And lesser end up like Palpatine.

 

I think Sith masters would be fine to have more than 1 apprentice. its just that the 2 apprentices will see each other as a threat. Which I think they sorta did with the Obi Wan show where even the inquisitors were trying to get Vaders approval over the other.

 

M goodness. Daxon had actually said something correct for once. We need to mark this special occurrence.

To add, Palpatine actually enjoyed the sport. Watching better apprentices take the weaker out, it was almost entertainment to him.

 

One of the earliest mentions of the "Rule of Two" outside the implication in the movie itself that I remember is in the "Episode I: Darth Maul's Journal" by Jude Watson (an immensely dark book considering it was meant for kids). At one point Sidious sends Maul off to some planet to survive for a month on his own with no supplies while being attacked by assassin droids and such. At the end, Sidious taunts him saying he's weak and "his other apprentice is much stronger" and therefore Maul needs to die since there can only be two Sith. This makes Maul so mad that he attacks Sidious with all his anger / dark side / etc. etc. The whole thing was a ruse and part of the test, which he then says Maul passed because his anger gave him strength and all that.

 

The Fifth Brother was loyal to the Grand Inqusitor and to Vader. Reva only proved to be treacherous in order to kill Vader. It doesn't seem like she wanted to be top dog like Vader did.

 

100% Agree. Disney Star Wars is not going to rock the boat on continuity.

It's not like they would do something like let people jump into hyperspace from inside a planet's atmosphere, use their ship as a lightspeed battering ram to destroy entire fleets, have ghosts summon Force lightning to destroy stuff, or claim that someone's parents were "nobodies" only to later reveal they were in the direct lineage of the Emperor.

. . .

 

Two of those things were never stated by Lucas to be impossible. Yoda using the Force is not difficult to believe because a) Obi-Wan used a Lightsaber to spar with Yoda in the Brackett draft of TESB and b) Obi-Wan sits down to talk to Luke in ROTJ.

The last is no different from having Luke French kissing his sister, or his mom died of a broken heart.

 

Even in the EU, the Rule of Two was not absolute. I mean there was the whole Brotherhood of Sith led by Lord Kaan during the Ruusan campaign, or the various Sith Factions prior?

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The Sith during this era had abandoned Revan's decree and Bane decided to return to it before his betrayal.

 

The problem I have with the Rule of Two thing, apart from the Sith always being more powerful than the Jedi because otherwise they'll lose far too easily based just on sheer numbers, is that "Zero trust" relationships almost never work. If it's just a given that the Master is always shopping around for a better Apprentice, and if it's a given that the Apprentice will inevitably seek to kill and supplant the Master, things will easily break down the moment one or the other feels threatened. It sounds cool, you can imagine it "working" in limited doses, but overall I think it's designed for almost certain failure.

 

That's essentially what happens in ROTJ. That was the whole point. And the Sith aren't stupid enough to just take on a hundred Jedi. That's what the Clone Wars and Order 66 was for.

 

I believe that's the whole point..

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@SHAD0W-JEDI What do you mean by break down?

Sure, they're always plotting against the other, but that helps motivate them to stay on their toes and sharpen their powers. And until the Apprentice has become powerful enough to overthrow the Master, he wants him alive so he can learn from him. Unless, their ego and drive for domination gets the better of them.

There may be a tension there, but to repeat the others, I think that's the point.

 

There would already be "tension" and "motivation" without the rule. All the rule creates is an even greater and more obvious existential threat to both the master and the apprentice, which increases infighting and makes the Sith Order dysfunctional.

 

How does 1 person you are working with but is also trying to kill you more infighting then a thousand people you have to work with but are also all at all times trying to kill you? The pre Rule of Two Sith weren't defeated by the Jedi but wiped each other out according to Lucas. You can't blame Bane for preferring to only have to worry about one person after that.

 

haha this thread still going?


"rule of two makes no sense, what if both sith were in the same location and a bomb goes off? why is it ok to train others to be acolytes, and users of the dark-side? but if they call themselves Sith that's a big no-no? (as in Ventress)


"Arbitrary answers here, and because almighty Zeus George decreed it, no matter if it makes zero sense, and so us loyal acolytes have to make up excuses why it works and makes sense"


and repeat.

 

Would you rather have the other guy be obligated to kill you just because they want someone else to join? Or would you rather leave open the possibility that you don't have to fight to the death?