Mini Series The Acolyte 1.07 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Yeah I'm beginning to suspect Quimir isn't going to be Sith at all. And that after this season is over the Sith of this time period will still be a total mystery.

I do enjoy the show but at this point I won't be disappointed if there is no season 2.

 

The showrunner has literally said this is a show about the Sith and that there are two of them in the series. This isn’t about some random dark sider. Come on.

 

Who knows if the witches are actually dead?

By the way, some of you mock Torbin but you are more immature than him.

I think the episode did well to avoid the cliche twists many of you expect from genre fiction. Instead we get something more human and realistic.

There's a reason fans don't get paid to write.

 

This is essence transfer. I’m certain of it.

 

Ok. But if that's true there should be a lot of context to the Sith by the time season 1 is done. And at this point with one episode remaining we have little development about the Sith of this time period.

 

Also, is Carrie Anne Moss implied to be a descendent of Avar Kriss?

she tunes out everything and a score swells up and I think it’s implied she’s actually hearing the music herself!

 

The Jedi act like robots …boooo
The Jedi act emotional and human ….booo.

I rather liked the stuff with Torbin the most.

 

Looks like a sith. Talks like a sith. Probably smells like a sith. Has the powers that the Sith have. Wants an acolyte or apprentice. Says people probably call him a sith. Sounds like semantics to me.

 

I think this reiterates how odd/awkward this show has been structured/edited. I totally agree the "reveal" should have been aired by middle season and then the second half should be Sol dealing with the consequences of his deeds. It would also made the adult twins( played bu Amandla Steinberg) far more synpathetic than they ended up being.

 

What a hapless group of Jedi. Better be one heck of a finale because that was a waste of an episode.

 

Spoiler

After Temptation of the Force that is possible. We will have to see what happens in the final couple of books.

 

Unnecessarily reticent?

In his interactions with the Jedi he's hiding not just the truth of the event, but that they covered up the event from the whole Order.

In his interaction with Mae/Osha...he killed their mother.

In no world is this an easy thing to live down. I think the reason they placed this episode so late in the season was so that the viewer could feel the weight of the burden carrying the secret for so long. You (along with so many here) are taking way too objective of an approach, viewing this as a spectator. In this story, Sol is living with an immense amount of guilt and is deeply burdened by it. All of them were wrestling with it and with it coming back to bite them (literally it killed 3 of the 4 so far) you can understand why Sol is struggling with this emotionally.

 

Workaholism. Bro just really put himself in his work and once he reached the peak, looked inside himself and felt empty and felt like a fraud. Honestly have seen this story play out in real life, so I wouldn't say it's a far reach. Look at the number of pastors who reach superstar status only to be found to be cheating on their wives.

 

double post

 

Sol killed Mae's mother in front of her. Then let Mae fall to her death when he realized he could only save one -- of course he would rather let go of the one who didn't care for the Jedi and actually saw him kill their mother.

I'd say thats enough reason to feel guilty. How could he even bear having Osha as his Padawan after killing her mother and letting her sister die?

 

Probably a major reason why her apprenticeship failed. Which makes it even worse because she clearly thinks it was entirely her own failure.

 

Yeah, the idea that sol telling Osha that he killed her mother is simple or easy is ... dead wrong.

Wait until Osha learns about it -- she'll likely kill sol.

So much for ease.

 

I have this theory that Osha putting on the helmet is going to allow her to convene in the conversation where Sol tells Mae his side of the story (with, of course, some arguing from Mae about what she saw and experienced). Her hearing this will cause her to turn to the dark side.

 

Qui-Gon risked the life of the Queen and the mission to free a slave boy- and cheated by using the force on the cube.

Qui-Gon and Sol aren't so far apart here. Qui-Gon just wasn't tested in the same way Sol was and what we do know is if he hadn't died, he was prepared to disobey the council and train Anakin.

Sol felt like he was listening to the living force just like Qui-Gon. He felt a connection through the force to Osha much in the way Qui-Gon was drawn to Anakin. Important here because he never felt that from Mae which is why he's willing to make such a terrible choice at the end. But didn't Qui-Gon do the same when he damned Shmi to live as a slave without her son? Qui-Gon's bridge was the chance cube.

I do wonder what Mother Aniseya was trying to do there. Did that mist let her teleport to rescue Osha? I assume that was what she was trying to do. Meanwhile Koril possessed Kelnacca but I still don't recall seeing her body.

Indara unsurprisingly acted the most like a Jedi. And she did end up taking out the night sisters like I suspected but used the force to sever their connection to Kelnacca which explained their death and possibly his lingering need to draw those symbols.

Oh Torbin. I am now more confused with him than ever. I can't see Indara moving to have Torbin take the trials unless this lie was then used to make Torbin look more heroic than he was and Indara went along with it. That would explain even more Torbin's guilt. He still has to become a master in that six year gap before taking the vow. Unless of course, it's like when the youngling called Anakin "Master Skywalker" when he was really just a Jedi Knight.... but odd that the others at the temple would refer to him that way.

Glad Kelnacca got one cool fight scene. Of them all though, he got the most raw deal. He went to try to prevent bloodshed, was possessed and forced to fight his friends, and then forced to cover up the mistakes of the others.

What is odd to me then is why Osha left the order. That seems to be the bigger mystery. After all Sol did and what Indara covered up to make happen, when did they decide to end Osha's training? Did Indara see danger in Osha that others couldn't? Did Sol?

 

The other implication is that maybe he felt leaving Mae to die was better because then no one alive would know he killed the mother. Mae dies: case closed. He can go back to the Jedi and live his life in peace and no one would ever know what happened. Torbin was present but he took the Barash Vow. Osha would never know what happened.

Of course, we know that's not what happened. And we know he never actually found peace.

I'm not even saying he was "evil", it was clearly an accident. He didn't know what Aniseya was doing when she turned into a shadow demon and acted on instinct when he saw Mae was also vanishing. But his cover up and trying to get an easy way out was less than good. The Jedi messed up bad and they should feel guilty.

 

Exposed wiring like that was an accident waiting to happen. If only there were some sort of galactic architectural safety bureau for Osha to report this to...

 

This was the episode I expected after first seeing the other side of this one much earlier. It was made abundantly clear that things didn’t go as we saw exactly and those who put in the time to read between the lines saw a lot of this. Right down to the Wookiee being possessed and injuring Torbin. What I will say is that they wrote this all in a way that made the Jedi slightly less at total fault than I was originally anticipating they might. To be clear, they all have valid reasons for depression and regret following these traumatic events but it wasn’t a Jedi council-ordered extraction like I had suspected and they were legitimately at risk of being killed and needed to defend themselves. This was less an organizational issue than the actions of a crew and that decision surprised me because I had been bracing for a harsher criticism of the Jedi as a whole. I expected top leadership might make a call like “Get the kids out by any means necessary.”


As much as I enjoy this show, the primary issue it has is that it was set up as a show about the villains and their rise and yet we’ve seen nothing of the primary architect of all of this mischief. Assuming there is one. Right now it just feels like the Jedi and Witches both made mistakes in conflict with each other and the Sith were just randomly there like vultures to benefit from the aftermath.

That’s not a great origin story for the Sith rising up in an era of light. Which is sort of how this show was positioned to the public.

I will say this though. This episode did make me think that what Palpatine speaks about regarding Plagueis ability to create life does directly relate to these events and if that is indeed the case then this show’s events do matter a great deal. I see no real narrative reason to focus so much on the force vergence, on how creating life from manipulation is a huge deal, how their midichlorians were super high and unique, and how the Jedi gaining the knowledge of this would be huge for them if it didn’t instead lead to Plagueis or his master now in some way. Even when she said this was all going to lead to the death of every Jedi later on was unnecessary if it doesn’t lead to the creation of Anakin. They didn’t have to focus as much on that as they did unless it was meaningful so I have to assume that it is and that is exciting. if they stick that landing and connect this all back to Plagueis or his Master in an interesting way I think a lot will be forgiven, this show will matter more, and end up being evaluated better upon reflection by more people overall.

 

WOW. That was something else. I was on the edge of my seat the entire episode. I was expecting Torbin to go full darkside in there, but he didn't. I must say I am pretty freaking disappointed in all of the Jedi involved except Kelnacca. I mean at least Indara tried to keep the peace, but her going with the lie at the end was pretty bad.

This quote about the Acolyte from an IGN article really sums it up nicely:
".. there are few things worse than a sanctimonious screw-up. They justify their crappy behavior in all of their self-righteous glory by insisting that they were doing it “for the greater good” or that it was fine because their “motives were pure,” and the Jedi have fallen into this category more often than not in Star Wars history."

 

tbh thats also in line with Sith behavior.