Mini Series The Acolyte 1.07 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I found that bit where Mother Koril asked Sol why he wouldn't fight back interesting. Very Mae-like moment.

Where did she go after the wookie fight? We saw all her family collapse (faint? die?) but I didn't see her there. Are we supposed to assume that she met the same fate as them?

 

I understand they were referring to the great hyperspace disaster from the High Republic book

 

There was a lot I liked about this episode, but it’s still probably the weakest for me. I feel like this needed to happen earlier in the season. Or at the very least longer episodes are needed. For being the penultimate episode, this has done nothing to get me more interested in the twins, and IMO the show has largely failed on that account. I care and Sol and Qimir, and even the dead Jedi like Indara and Torbin more than I do the twins. And for being a show promoted as being from the perspective of the Sith, it seems like the show hasn’t lived up to that.

I feel like I am enjoying this show with the expectation that there will be a season 2. If it is left only as a single season affair, I think this will be a middling show.


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Someone had to save Mae. How did Mae survive? Perhaps Korril was the one?

 

TBF the Jedi were trespassing for a second time. The Jedi had no idea what the cult was planning to do or what the ascencion ritual meant. Sol was judging things based on his fears and his newly-formed connection to Osha.

Back when she was being tested for Jedi training, Mae says: " Mama said everyone must walk through fear. Everyone must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny". Sol and Indara take a look at each other after hearing that, and Sol apparently jumps to the conclusion that the witches are evil and plan to sacrifice the kids for some dark ritual.

What Aniseya actually says (in the third episode) is: "Ascension is about walking through fear. It is about sacrificing a part of yourself." Sacrificing a part of yourself could be meant literally if we consider the twins as parts of a whole and one of them had to be sacrificed for the other to 'ascend' or, more likely, it is a metaphor for sacrificing some of your dreams in favor of the coven, of the "many". I don't think Aniseya planned to sacrifice one of the twins since she was willing to let Osha join the Jedi. She wouldn't do that if she needed them for the ritual.

Mae, an 8-year old child, not knowing what exactly what ascension was and misquoting her mother was enough reason for Sol to jump to conclusions, decide it was his job to "save those poor children from the terrible witches", invade their homes after having already trespassed once and then killing the mother in front of the entire coven and the child. The fact that the witches didn't shoot on sight after they trespassed a second time is somewhat surprising.

And, truth be told, Aniseya did not owe Sol any explanation on how her powers worked. She was fearful for the life of Osha and was apparently rushing off to save her when Sol stabbed her. It was just not Sol's place to assume the mother and leader of a culture he had no understanding whatsoever was planning to murder her own children.

The witches could have better diplomatic skills, especially Mother Koril, but Sol and Torbin were in the wrong here IMO. Master Indara was the voice of reason through the entire episode. And the Jedi Council seemed to be right for once. People were afraid the show was going to make the Jedi look bad, to me it did the opposite. The Jedi Order was right -- these specific Jedi (Sol and Torbin) were not.

 

This is what I have an issue with. It was not explained nor shown very well. It was a small fire and suddenly places started exploding. It felt plot-convenience as many other things in this episode. Things happened because plot needed them to happen. It is very bad writing. It almost as writers parody themselves at times. Like when Indara asked how can Mae be the leader and what she meant she asked "I dunno lol" It's like writers seem to think about the plot of this show. "Things happen". "Why?" "I dunno lol"

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Entire flow of events feels very unnatural. Motivations are shallow and people don't communicate clearly. There should've been more interaction between mothers there. Aniseya and Korril were disagreeing about everything really. It was insubordination really and conflict was unavoidable but way it happened was very... odd. Just so unnatural on all levels it feels very disappointing after they so long kept this "mystery" from us.

They refer to Hyperspace disaster as the cause. Not the mine. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Hyperspace_Disaster

 

I've said many times over the years that it's best if one leaves one's brain at the door when it comes to SW. Just take it as it comes and don't think too hard about things like: how in the name of Bendu did Torbin become a Jedi Master?!?! Accept and move on.

 

He became a master because this incident never happened

 

In the context of the show, i think the pararel has to be with Qimir, and his obssession with having a pupil/student , rather than Qui-Gon.
IMHO it's a waste of time to "overthink" this show. There are many inconsistencies ( many on design, most by inability of the writers).
For example,since Osha had such a high midichlorians account, now it seems weird that the Order would let her go so easy or, more bizarre, she would "lost" her Force powers so easy as presented in the series.
In the end, just **** we'll have to live.

Yep. It seems they decided to tell the whole thing in the most annoying way. It's not clear, how i said above, what was written to look misterious and what is just are just plot holes, but the later is what will be remembered about the show.

Maybe there's a third POV: the sith/knights of Ren one.
Maybe the whole thing is about the planet being aconvergence point of the Force that the witches found by luck and the Jedi were simply unaware till recently. But the Sith were after and were in hiding there. Would explain how Qimir seems to know what happened there despite only the 4 Jedi would have that knowledge while the twins never saw/watched the whole thing unfold.
But that's a long shot

 

Seriously, telling us the truth but not Mae/Osha at the same time without even a single reaction shot just robs the truth of all its weight. Spielberg would not be impressed.

 

I surely had fun, though there were several things that I did not like:

-- the way they were searching for Force signals with those detectors. That's some midichlorian nonsense, to me.
-- the fact that they were looking for life signals in a whole planet, and Sol casually stumbles into Mae and Osha, while everyone had missed the whole castle in the rocks. This is very SW-ish, I know, but it was still a bit silly. Sure, they made a point about the fact that the girl were in a place where they were not supposed to be, but it did not feel right to me.
-- The exposition of Trinity of the planet's name while she's talking with the kid.
-- That ridiculous scene where Mae and Osha are just standing there, reaching out with their hands even though they are clearly too distant.
-- Sol's extremely poor decision making, which sure, of course it was intended that way, but his stupidity was perhaps a bit over the top.
-- the pop song during the end credits.
-- the kid being seduced by.... the idea of going home ?
-- the fact that Indara chooses to lie.
-- Mother becoming magic dust, which felt a bit too MCU to me.

 

We saw the nightsisters do that in TCW though. Just hadn't seen it before in live action.

 

This is a situation with unfortunate events on all sides. I see no villains here.

 

Indara didn't want to lie. She felt forced to. She didn't want any of this to happen and tried her best at every turn to prevent disaster, but both Sol and Torbin were acting a fool. After things went sideways, she thought hiding the truth was the best way to protect the innocent girl Osha because the Jedi on her planet had destroyed her entire life, caused the death of her family with their interference and she was now an orphan and a ward of the Jedi whether anyone besides Osha and Sol wished it. Indara tried to make lemonade out of lemons on the fly by not destroying Osha's life any further with the details of what actually happened on Brendok. A fire started by her sister was an incomplete truth, but not exactly a lie. I'd say Koril started the metaphorical fire that destroyed everything by fanning the flame of Mae's anger.
The lie told to the council is one of the only mystery resolutions of the entire episode that I was satisfied with.

 

Agree with the rest, but the last 2 are the ones where lies the chance of some final twist with the series. What about if Korrill didn't die but left Kelnacca's mind and took over Indara's ?
Would explain Indara's later U-turn ( and how she knew it was Mae when they met) and the death of the witches ( something Indara never wanted /intended).

 

Agreed. Totally. Both of these flashbacks take place without any framing or reference to who's 'remembering' them. Here Sol is doing the telling, but it would have been nice to see a reaction from Mae - who already knew that Sol killed Mama because she was there - and a quick shot of the helmet falling off of Osha with her staring emotionally at the floor.

 

You reading this, Lucasfilm? Hire this man.

 

Wow, i don't know, really like the episode, but only 5 minutes are really new of episode 3, good part is a huge reprise...
First of all, i think episodes 3 and 7 should be one episode, i understand that they tried create a mystery, but for me, didn't work.
About this episode itself, only one until finale, and a full flashback episode was weird, for me, maybe episodes 6 and 7 should be once, and the finale of 6 as the finale of 7, would be more crazy for wait the finale...
Only 1 episode now, get ready for another short episode, trying to explain everything in few minutes.

Ps: if i was Sol in that scene, maybe i would the same, both sides are not innocent...

7.5/10

 

IMO what’s 100% going to happen is the Zabrak witch shows back up, manages to break Sol’s mind, then attacks Vernestra. The entire thing is pinned on him.

 

Spoiler

I think with this episode it is clear that Koril can be alive and be the Darth or the Sith Lord of this era maybe Koril was Qimir master if thats the case and Koril is a Sith please dont call her Darth Plagueis it seems like there could be a Season 2 i feel like the story can be expanded more if thats the case i will only watch this season this is the one last content i will see from Disney Star Wars

 

I think we are now pretty much confirmed it's also an illusion of sorts since Sol killed Aniseya after she turned into dust- So she was actually just looking like dust but still physical entity there... but yes Dathomiri did the same thing. This whole magicks stuff is not very well done in Star Wars. Now it's just all over the place.