Mini Series The Acolyte 1.07 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

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For a second I was worried we were getting a double swap out. That Sol saved Mae thinking it was Osha. Sigh. Thank god lol.

 

I was surprised that the Jedi didn't do some sort of mind wipe with Osha. That seems a bit of a gap now... what with her being unconscious on the Jedi ship and all...

 

Yep. Basically just comes down to Osha just didn't see Sol killed Mama. She probably assumed it was all Mae's fault. Although Mae did set that fire, she seems genuinely sorry about it afterwards as it spreads way more quickly than she anticipated.

She also has always known that Sol killed Mama, since she saw it first hand, so I'm not sure why Sol had to wait 16 years to tell her about it. He should have been telling Osha ... so ... I'm not sure where this is going.

And I wonder who took Mae off that world. She ends up all alone at the Yellow Tree asking for Osha in the original flashback. But someone took her off that planet. Probably Koril since she's only one we didn't see die specifically.

 

I wonder if this is the case, because the melodrama was dialed up to 11, and everyone was yelling and flying off the handle really quickly. It felt like something was off in the direction and acting, but perhaps there’s an in-universe explanation.

 

"The fans" take a lot of heat these days for allegedly being too picky, too
judgemental, etc, but I think in general folks here have been super patient as this show constantly requires fans to ponder if and when things will be explained, if a good reason will be presented for something that on its face appears really odd, or dumb, or just bad writing and execution (in this case, everyone suddenly being hyper-emotional).

 

The melodrama in the prequels was pretty dialed up.

 

I’d argue in the PT it was pretty subdue. Palpatine being perhaps an ex exception but no one ever said Ian didn’t manic it up at times.

 

I can see this. It's like Ghostbusters 2 slime. But I don't think it was done on purpose though. And there's no realization from the Jedi who suspect this place is making them emotionally charged. The Jedi weren't acting 'weird' until they basically they discovered the twins and Sol snuck in and reported back to them,. Up til then, the 7 weeks (was it?) was pretty mundane. Which is why Torbin wants to go home.

This ep really drives the point home why the Jedi live such a strict somewhat emotionlessly driven lifestyle. Things can go sour very quickly when you're a force-powered, saber carrying wizard with loads of wiggle-room authority in the galaxy.

I'm curious where the finale is set. Do they all come back to the Coven, or do we get some place new. I doubt it takes place on Unknown Planet, but then ... where are Sol and Mae actually headed to in this moment, if they're not somehow following the scent so to speak.

 

Are we sure that Mothers Aniseya and Koril turning to mist was intended for possession? When Aniseya possesses Torbin earlier on, she's able to do so without needing to turn to mist. The same goes for seeing all the witches collectively possessing Kelnacca.

I kind of assumed the mist was a sign that Aniseya and Koril were meaning to teleport away, and in Aniseya's case, she had the ability to take Mae with her, thus explaining why Mae was turning to mist as well. I kind of prefer that idea too, because it means in a split second, Sol incorrectly interpreted the action as something nefarious, making his attack on Aniseya an even greater mistake.

 

Also is awkward Mae didn't just tell Osha that Sol killed Aniseya when they finally met in Ep 5 but instead decided to dress like her and try to kill (?) Sol by her own even if she already parted ways with Qimir.

 

I’d assume this was the idea. Whatever she was doing it was likely to save Mae. Sol reacted thinking Mae. Or maybe he thought she was Osha, was in danger and tried to protect her.

 

I assume Mae didn't because she thought the Jedi had brainwashed Osha.

 

Would Osha even believe her if she had told her that Sol killed their mother? I think Mae just assumes she wouldn’t which is why she doesn’t tell her and decides instead to kill Sol.

 

It's what I meant when I said an artificial mystery. It's only a mystery because all the characters are making it one. Mae could have easily told Osha the truth, but instead went with something to prolong the mystery. So that we as an audience get pumped up over. But we could have been told this truth up front, in episode 1, and watched as the characters struggle to tell this truth, or learn about this truth ... 16 years after the fact because some of them don't know about it. We definitely didn't need to see the previous flashback and that itself only prolonged this mystery with a false view of things. And the secret basically comes down to a mistake. An accident. Good intensions, based on love and caring ideals, but horrific outcomes. It's not like the Jedi marched in there and Empire-style just burned the place down and took the girls without a care. All of them cared to some degree.

Has been done before though. That could have led to spark of mistrust between her and Sol. Leading her to eventually trust Qimir instead.

They brainwashed you. Sol never told you want happened to Mama.
He told me enough. He told me you started the fire. You killed her.
Nooo!!!! Sol killed Mama.
That's not true. That's ... wait a second. That could be true. That...would ... mean....

 

I just can't get past how inept these Jedi are. They make Stormtroopers look competent. That and the sequence of episodes are my two biggest complaints for a series that otherwise has a lot of potential. Sans a Thanos like post credit, I don't expect to see anything mind blowing from a Sith perspective in the final episode either. There's just not enough time to wrap up the existing arcs and set up something that isn't more than a last-minute teaser/cliff hanger. It wouldn't completely surprise me if Qimir's backstory boils down to something insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Probably the child of filthy junkers that sold him for drinking money.

 

Well, for one the Jedi kept telling her Mae was dead and it was a lie, so why she should still think the Jedi were more reliable than her long lost sister ? At that point she should be able to figure sometthing was off all along.
Also, in Ep 6 she clearly was falling for Qimir naked "dark side sedution" bull****.
What was never answered( and probably won't) is who ( and why) told Mae that Osha died . From what we got thus far in the series, Mae was left all alone in the planet with no way to leave or develop her Force powers. So who ( and when) rescued her and started training her?

 

Lunacy
Mid 16th century (originally referring to insanity of an intermittent kind attributed to changes of the moon.
The word derives from lunaticus meaning "of the moon" or "moonstruck"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunatic

"We make our move tonight, while the moons are high." -- Koril

Indara also glances up at the moons.
We'll be getting a space chase in the next episode, flying through the rings of presumably the moon we see from Brendok.
16 years later, Sol knows exactly what he needs to do to make things right....... blow up the moons.

 

Because from her perspective Mae started the fire that killed everyone and Sol saved her. Sol legitimately thought Mae was dead as he saw her fall so it wasn’t a lie. He was just wrong.

 

it wasn't a lie was it, they thought Mae was dead.

 

Right but if your sister turns up not-dead after 16 years, and is killing Jedi, you'd probably at least ponder what she's saying. After all, the thing you've believed for the last 16 years is not true.

All she ended up with was "the Jedi brainwashed you". I don't know the exact line right now. Which on its own sounds doubtful. Especially from a Jedi Killer. But if Mae said "The Jedi brainwashed you. I'm not dead. Sol killed Mama, not me". That little nugget would stay with her, even if she doubted it at first. That drama would have exploded later on, say when searching for Kelbacca.

 

Was it a lie or a mistake?

It seems the four Jedi on the mission honestly believe Mae had died. It’s a surprise to the four Jedi and Osha when Mae shows up.

This episode gives events earlier in the series a different meaning. It now seems Master Indara made the choice not to kill Mae in episode one. When Mae made it clear she was going to hurt civilians as a way to make Indara fight her, Indara let herself be killed.

 

Only thing that I take away from this ep is that Helium Jedi was very homesick. Ole gal turns to mist and has the balls to say “but I was gonna let her go with you.” once getting stabby stabbed in her misty gutty guts. Emmm k

 

The last time she saw her sister Mae had tried to kill her so her killing Jedi kinda fits.

 

So what about this news that they're the same person split in two?

are they hinting one is the light side and one the dark, except that would be a bit obvious.