PT The Rule of Two is a Stupid Idea.

An Acolyte and an Inquisitor is weak compared to a Sith.



Vader didn't even have to try to defend himself. There was no exertion on his part.



Whereas Palpatine could fight a Jedi and have a challenge. This is why Yoda said that only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer the Sith.

Except it doesn't. Dooku never tried to actively overthrow Palpatine with Ventress, but Maul did with Savage. Vader behaved himself until Luke showed up. Ben betrayed Snoke after discovering how powerful Rey was.

 

and...Ventress? who I believe gave Anakin his scar?

not to mention the multiple duels she had with the Jedi,

not to mention the non-force sensitive Jedi killer General Grievous,

it's not the Sith are STRONG, it's the Jedi are middling to pathetic.

 

Legends EU. Canon has no explanation. Ventress did start to become more powerful which is why Palpatine ordered her death.

She only fought Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Ahsoka, Tholme, Luminara and Aayla before the betrayal by the Sith. Of them, she only killed one of them, Tholme. She kept losing to the Jedi otherwise. Yoda even manhandled her the same Vader did to Reva.

Who often used the Magnaguards and the Droid Army to engage the Jedi and kill the few that he did. The rest of the time he ran away. He collected four Lightsabers from four experienced Jedi and had ten Padawan braids.

 

What is the option where there is a possibility? Cause it is absolutely not the one where there are an unlimited amount of Sith in the Galaxy and they all want to be the one and only strongest. The rule of two means the master is the only source of Sith teachings and the apprentice is at least initially dependent on them. Before the Rule of two neither your apprentice, your master nor your rivals are particularly dependent on you, but they nevertheless want you to fail just as much.

 

Why would a thousand Sith all want to kill me all the time just as much as one other Sith who is obligated to kill me under a rule? These are sentient beings with desires and fears and an instinct to survive, not mindless suicidal robots programmed to kill everything on sight.

 

The one Sith is also a sentient being with desires and fear and an instinct to survive, not a mindless suicidal robot programmed to kill everything on sight? The rule is an inherit consequence of being a Sith, to pursue power, this eventually puts the master in the apprentice's way. If you have a thousand Sith each trying to be the strongest this also puts each of them in each others way eventually. If you are working with a thousand Sith and not even a single one of them ever setb their sights on you as their biggest threat, you can't be doing your job very well. Also before the Rule of Two, Sith Masters already had apprentices. And those apprentices worked to learn what they can from their master and desired to take their master place when they is no more to learn.

 

Wouldn't he have tried that against Palpatine at some point before Luke showed up? Remember when he told Padme that he was more powerful than the Chancellor and that he could overthrow him.

 

That was partly his dark side fueled ego, and then he was put in an iron lung.

 

Let's pretend that he was not put into an iron lung and Padme decided to stay with him, would he have been able to overthrow Palpatine?

 

And why do a thousand Sith all have to be hellbent on becoming No. 1 at all costs? If I'm #352, am I supposed to do everything possible in an effort to get rid of the 351 people ahead of me?

Yep eventually. Sidious himself said in ROTS that Vader would surpass him. But them Mustafar happened, so Vader never reached his full potential.

 

That's what being a Dark Lord of the Sith gets you.

 

I do remember when he told Yoda "You will not stop me. Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us."

However, if Anakin wasn't put into the iron lung, is that something Palpatine would have tried to stop from happening, despite what he said to Yoda.

 

"'You must learn to let go of everything you’re afraid to let go of.’ Because holding on is in the same category and the precursor to greed. And that’s what a Sith is. A Sith is somebody that is absolutely obsessed with gaining more and more power - but for what? Nothing, except that it becomes an obsession to get more. The Jedi are trained to let go. They’re trained from birth, they’re not supposed to form attachments. They can love people- in fact, they should love everybody. They should love their enemies; they should love the Sith. But they can’t form attachments. So, what all these movies are about is: greed. Greed is a source of pain and suffering for everybody. And the ultimate state of greed is the desire to cheat death."

--George Lucas, The Making of Revenge of the Sith page 213, 2005.

"So that is ultimately the core of the whole dark side/light side of the Force. And everything flows from that. Obviously the Sith are always unhappy because they never get enough of anything they want. Mostly, their selfishness centers around power and control. And the struggle is always to be able to let go of all that stuff."

--George Lucas, explaining the Force to the Clone Wars writing team, 2010.

"The whole basis here is if you’re selfish, if you’re a Sith Lord, you’re greedy. You’re constantly trying to get something. And you’re constantly in fear of not getting it, or, when you get it, you’re in constant fear of losing it. And it’s that fear that takes you to the dark side. It’s that fear of losing what you have or want."

--George Lucas interview, 2019.

Because you want to be all powerful and you don't want to be subservient. You want to be in control and lording that power over others. If you are not ruthless then you are worthless to the cause and can be replaced. Maul was worthless to Palpatine as an Apprentice, but useful as a tool. Vader became worthless when Luke became viable. Ben was done with Snoke.

"And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

--George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

"The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Let's face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice. There are a lot of things repeated in these movies. Fathers vs Sons."

--George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.

Palpatine would not let Anakin kill him if he was not injured. But he knows that when he does betray him that the Sith will continue with someone strong enough to rule. That's what all of the Masters look for in an Apprentice.

 

I don't think so. If Sidious didn't want to be surpassed by his apprentice, he wouldn't waste 10+ years to convert Anakin, the ultra Force sensitive. Simply kill him before he becomes powerful, and keep Dooku or have any other normal Force sensitive as his apprentice.

The "why" is debatable. Some pro-rule people here are saying that all Sith masters are suicidal in this way just because that's how they've been indoctrinated. I think Sidious is a dark side fanatic who doesn't mind dying a bit earlier if it means he can have a more powerful successor, but I find it ridiculous to expect all Sith masters to act the same.

 

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't Sidious order Dooku to kill Ventress because he thought she was becoming too powerful?

 

I haven't watched much beyond the movies so I don't really know anything about Ventress.

 

Palpatine didn't want Ventress to be a Sith. He coveted Anakin and had plans for Dooku. That's why he told Dooku to kill her.

 

I think i once read that for George Lucas there was never a battle between Sith and Jedi he said that someone else invented that like the authors of the EU or the fans i read that for Lucas the Sith once dominated the Galaxy and that they became Two because the other Sith killed each other for power but i dont know why i get the impression watching TCW the show where there are more ideas from Lucas that the Rule of Two was something that all the Sith did and that they all had apprentices although Darth Bane ghost says that he supposedly created the Rule Two but i get the impression that in Lucas Canon the Rule of Two is a Rule that the Sith have always practiced since their beginnings unlike in the EU

 

The issue is how did Yoda know about the Rule of Two if it was done in secret? TCW never got into the history of it. Terry Brooks had to take what Lucas dictated and keep it consistent with the EU. Kevin J. Anderson then connected the stories that he co-wrote with the new information. Drew Karpyshyn then had to connect those stories with the KOTOR games. In doing so he wrote the Jedi learning of it a few years after Bane faked his death.

But Lucas himself stated that there were multiple Sith. If Lucas hadn't sold to Disney, it would have been addressed in later seasons of TCW.

 

Sidious the sexist Sith Lord.

i'm kidding, please don't quote a load of obscure Lucas quotes why's he's not

 

At the time of Episode 1 when Qui-Gon tells the Jedi Council about his encounter with Maul, remember how Ki-Adi-Mundo says the Sith had been extinct for a millennium and Mace says they could not have returned without them knowing.

So, I think there is more to the issue about Yoda knowing the Rule of Two.

 

There's an issue but as noted Lucas sold out and Disney canceled TCW.

 

Wait the 3D Clone Wars is no longer canon?