Mini Series The Acolyte 1.08 (SEASON FINALE!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Good point. A lot of EU was taken for this show and repurposed. Could be there same here. I just think since The Stranger was so blatant about training Osha or Mae as his alcolyte there is no way he doesn't have some involvement.

 

Not saying Sith Level...just that at Brendok they were not acting as Jedi should...and instead of coming clean and facing the consequences they cover it up "for the sake of Osha". Adding to that is Vernestra who continues to cover for it years later to 'protect' the Jedi Order. Reminds me of a lot of scandals in the real world....a small group (or one person) does something awful, but instead of it being dealt with properly the organization they are part of covers it up. Then when it comes out it is so much worse than it could have been because of the cover up.

 

An acolyte may not be part of the rule of 2.

 

Yeah I don't get this complaint about tarnishing the Jedi. It's like saying Clone Wars is trying to argue "the Jedi are bad" because of Pong Krell

 

The after credits scene with the chanting black hooded figures, was that on Exegol????

 

Yeah, or it's like saying the prequels are trying to argue the Jedi are bad because of...Anakin Skywalker.

 

That Sith can be used in the main story/ timeline in other shows or in general canon. I do not think they teased us Yoda and the main Sith for nothing. Visualizing a new Sith Lord would probably be too much for fandom anyway Yes, it would have been cool to see «him» at the end, but then you build a new character arch and plot. That character was not really built up during this season. We just knew that figure existed and made up a fantasy about him. Oh..he is Muun probably.. as you saw.

 

No. Headland said that the witches tried to use the vergence to create life and it didn't turn out correctly. They came out as twins, not one person. So it was a mistake.

The Force did not create them.

 

Honestly, one of the things about growing up with the OT was the impression from Obi Wan's explanation of history to Luke on Tattoonie that Anakin turning was some sort of nuclear once in a thousand years type of event but now it seems that every property Disney puts out has a former Jedi turning to the dark side.

 

Those people on Twitter saying “Plagueis shouldn’t be a muun” are nerds

 

It wasn't that bad, but I don't think it made the jedi look great either. Even Sol started to become very emotionally triggered to the point its hard to say whether he was right about his reasoning for what he did. and I'm not sure if he was certain about it himself from the way he acted.

 

The impression I got from Obi-wan's line about Anakin turning was that Anakin turned. There was no implication that nothing like that ever happened in their 25,000 history or whatever. That's pure headcanon.

Again, it made a few Jedi look bad, not all the Jedi. That was the simple point SmokeMonster was making.

 

"Who taught us that rhyme?"

How do you figure?

 

I’ve always assumed an ‘acolyte’ was a lackey/student of the current Sith apprentice, like Asaajj Ventress in TCW.

 

Sith are about doin whatever they want. They don't always follow rules they don't care about.

Yoda says "always two there are" because that's what he's known. Yoda doesn't know everything.

Some Sith could use the "common knowledge" about the rule of two as misdirect, as Jedi foolishly assume there's only two of them when they have more allies waiting in the wings.

 

Exactly. We've been theorizing this part since Ep 3. Dark siders are creating life, it tips the force out of balance, and the Force responds with ... creating the Chosen One. LH has also said that the twins are not as powerful as Anakin, and that's on purpose. Because the witches weren't powerful enough to ever make something like that.

Oh...and the rule of two is still in place. Every single Apprentice has to find help to take down the Master, so they can replace them. This is exactly what Vader is trying to do with Luke in the OT. (And to a certain extent what Palpatine is doing to Luke against Vader. They each want Luke as their new apprentice) We've been theorizing that too Daxon. Plagueis didn't look too pleased at the new alliance forming.

 

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the cameo feels like it was added at the last minute.

 

Ok well if that's the case then I say they just don't do a season 2 and instead do a Palpatine show when he was Plagueis's student. The majority of the key characters in Acolyte season 1 got killed off anyways so it would practically be a brand show anyhow if they did a season 2.

 

So...why did Mae need to stay behind? Why didn't she just escape with Osha and Qimir? Why did Osha need to make a deal with Qimir to train with him in exchange for leaving Mae behind? Also what was the point of wiping Mae's mind? How did that help anything? Who benefited from that? I don't get it.

Why did they go back to Brendok? Sol wanted everybody there to prove to the Jedi that there was a vergence on the planet and that vergence created Osha and Mae. Okay but to what end? I guess he thought that if the other Jedi knew this then his actions could be justified? Is that what he was going for? Why didn't he bring the other Jedi to Brendok years ago to show them the vergence? I guess it was more about proving that the vergence had something to do with the creation of Osha and Mae? Torbin already had the data that proved that Osha and Mae were the same person so I don't know why Sol needed the Jedi to see Osha and Mae in the flesh, if that is what he was gong for.

Also, the show started out with Mae being the evil twin and then the show ends with both of them being on the dark side. Why didn't they just keep Mae evil from the get go instead sort of but not really bring her back to the light side? I'm guessing the writers want Mae to go to the light side so they mind wiped her so she wouldn't remember killing two Jedi.

There was some pretty predicable things here too. Everybody going back to Brendok, Sol dying, Osha falling to the dark side, Vernestra being Qimir's former master, Vernestra covering things up and making Sol the fall guy. Eh, we all called this stuff. Even the Yoda cameo was a bit predictable.

One thing I didn't predict was Sol being unapologetic about his past actions on Brendok. That was pretty wild. The fight scenes were cool too.

I'm going to have to think about this one a bit more but overall it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be but I also wasn't super satisfied. On paper this show had some cool ideas but they just don't quite land a lot of them

 

Well the rule of 2 isn't there just to be a bother, the rule of 2 is to keep order. If they don't follow it, they can't guarantee order. Because Sith backstab for power.

 

They got about ... 50 more years before a certain child from Naboo's noble class turns up. Plenty of room for other tales of the Muun.

 

Yeah I didn't get it either.

 

Yes, and once again, it's a few Jedi who do some bad things. Not the entire Jedi Order. I don't get this concept that a good institution is totally rotten because a few people in it do some questionable things. George Lucas started exploring this in the prequels, and suddenly it's off limits?

And the fact that this mirrors real-world institutions is a good thing, is it not? Star Wars has, for a long time, presented institutions in a pretty realistic way. Beginning with the Empire in A New Hope. I liked that depth here. In fact, the political dynamics in this episode saved the season for me. I wish we'd gotten that throughout the season, with more interactions between the Jedi and the Senate and perhaps other parts of the Republic bureaucracy.