Mini Series The Acolyte 1.08 (SEASON FINALE!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Regardless, when you have people turning left and right it does cheapen and trivialize it.

 

Yeah if Plagueis is a young Muun here he could take on Palpatine when he is older.

 

Not to me. To me, it's more realistic. And I appreciate that in Star Wars worldbuilding.

 

I guess we will have to see if the show gets a next season. Now they opened that plot point and we got Darth Plagueis involved. There could be some connection moving forward on how Darth Plagueis learns that ability. Its a glaring possibility right here.

 

Pretty much anyone evil didn't come out of the womb that way

 

I wish the background Jedi were a bit more ... serious looking. They all seem like they're a little bit ... Mall Cop and not Knight of the Jedi Order.

I think it would go a long way at providing background on why certain senators think this is impenetrable cult - a hokey religion - with far too much power and authority.

 

Agreed. Plaguis looking out of the cave felt like an after thought. Just there to shut people up and start anticipation for more content in this time period. Yoda popping up at the end is equal level of fan service.

I wasn’t a fan of those little addendums.

I do like that we once again see in Star Wars when one mentor character is introduced we see their opposite also introduced.

Usually they are introduced about one scene apart. Yoda and the Emperor. Han Solo and Snoke. Qui-Gon and Darth Sidious.

Another good back to back scene introduction is Darth Sidious as hologram looking stage left and Palpatine as hologram looking right in back to back scenes.

 

osha did three steps of being a Sith Lord pretty fast lol

Killing without a weapon
Stealing a JEDI MASTER's SABER
MAKING IT BLEED

 

I’m of two minds on the finale. All I wanted from this show dealing with the rise of the Sith was it to matter to lore in a significant way and giving us Darth Plagueis, implying the Sith learned the secret to create life from witches here in this timeline in this very show, is absolutely significant. In addition, the way the Stranger hid in plain sight was very Palpatine and if he learned that from Plagueis it’s even better. All of these things are great and to be honest when this show was announced unraveling the secret of Anakin’s conception was not something I thought they’d have the guts to each touch upon. Much less make it a central point of emphasis.

So, to be clear… all of that lore building is great and I’m thrilled that they went here.

In addition, having Mae and Osha switch, making Sol rhe fall guy, connecting Vernestrs to the stranger, and seeing a relationship begin between Osha and the Stranger are all also fun writing choices imo. They add drama and intrigue to where this show could go next.

As ideas go on the page, these work for me. They’re interesting. I also loved the fight choreography in this show and occasionally the visuals.

On the other hand, I’m legitimately worried that we won’t get a season 2 and all of the truly interesting stuff I mentioned off the top only matters if it happens and it hasn’t yet. Not fully. Just morsels.

The show had some minor issues in execution and did get silly at times in ways that were unnecessary but they weren’t enough to sink it. Not even close. Not for me anyway. I’m hoping for a season 2. One even better and more interesting than the setup season was.

 

Why did Bazil crash the ship?
Why was Osha totally cool with Qimir? Why did she call him "fair", after having witnessed him killing a dozen people? Just because he was nice to her? Lmao. Oh, right, that's because Leslye Headland unironically ships them, as blatantly confirmed in the finale, with them literally holding hands. I guess an evil, powerful maniac grooming an innocent woman is her vision. That tracks with who she worked for.
How is Osha suddenly so strong in the Dark Side that she is capable of killing a person with the Force, even though Mae, who had been training for years (?) with Qimir wasn't able to do that, even though she was infinitely angrier than Osha ever was?
How could Osha bleed lightsaber crystal like that? Why didn't Anakin's became red as well in Revenge of the Sith? I bet he was far more angrier than Osha. Yet it didn't turn red all of the sudden.
I guess mind wipe is a thing now? Why didn't the Jedi mind wipe Dooku, Barriss, or anyone else who turns bad?
Why is Vernestra such a lying, evil, conspiring *******? Why did she cover it all up? Why did she blame it all on Sol? What is even the point of the Jedi institution anymore? What good are they? Aren't these supposed to be the Jedi in their prime, i.e. before the decline? Why are they 1000x times worse than the PT Jedi and Clone Wars Jedi ever were? I guess everyone already hates the Jedi? Even though they have been the protectors of peace and justice for 1000 years and established peace? When were they ever good? Are we gonna see it sometimes? Or were they always *******s? Am I supposed to cheer for Order 66?
What was the point of this show? What happened by the end of it? A bunch of Jedi died, Osha and Mae swapped places. That's it. We didn't learn anything else.

 

The stranger basically Revan'd Mae

 

There are some showrunners/ directors who just don't put much thought or effort into extras, and others who take them very seriously, believing (rightly, IMO) that they can make the difference in suspension of disbelief. I think Headland is one of the former.

Oh, I completely forgot about that. Yeah, that was a pretty nonsense development and should've been cut.

 

mind wiping has been a thing since forever

 

He may already have the ability. He might be the one who helped the Witches create the twins. So now he's especially mad as the being he created, is running off with his apprentice/Qimir.

 

I liked when Sol got a heroic swell of music again in this episode. The actions pauses for a moment to let the music play. I’m not sure if John Williams ever did it quite like that. Sol had two of those moments in the series.

I’ll miss him the way I missed Qui-Gon.

 

It's Star Wars, nothing is realistic.

 

Sith "follow" the rule of two. Their plans always include that there would be only two Sith at the end.

However, the master and the disciple know that they are in constant competition for power (one to embody power, the other to crave it). So, it shouldn't be unusual for them to look for better replacements.

 

The only thing I don’t agree is that the execution could’ve been better, for sure. But the answer to your questions can be summed entirely by; “From my point of view, the Jedi are evil.”

This is not a story Filoni would tell you. Praise be to Headland. Go Sith!

 

Wait! In episode one a whole bar witnessed Mae kill Indara. They even had a dude ID Osha as the person that looked exactly like the killer. Sure Osha didn't kill Indara but she DID look exactly like the person that did kill Indara. The reason I bring this up is because Vernestra blames Sol for the deaths of all the Jedi that were on Brendok 16 years ago and that includes Indara. So uh...what the hell?

 

I find a lot of the best Star Wars does realistic worldbuilding. From the Imperial military politics in ANH to the Rebellion politics in Rogue One to the political dynamics in Andor, when Star Wars aims for realism in its worldbuilding, I am always much more engaged.

 

And it was never good. It was bad and stupid in the EU, and it happened only once in on-screen canon with Mortis, as far as I am aware, which was of dubious realness to begin with. Mind wipe is lame, lazy writing. It is unearned. Revan getting mind wiped was never good. KOTOR 1 was bad. KOTOR 2 was the good one. The one where Revan fell to the Dark Side by choice to save the Republic. Only for Karpyshyn to make it so that he was actually brainwashed all along by the big bad Emperor in SWTOR.

 

Cover up. She doesn't want the Senate to investigate the Jedi, Brendok, or the twins. Sol gets the blame and case closed.

 

Mog definitely seems like he belongs in the library and not on the battlefield.