Amph One Thread To Rule Them All: The Rings of Power, The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings & Middle-earth films

I am confused.

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So they know these rings are gifts from Sauron, or only Elrond knows they are gifts from Sauron?

I cannot even tell you how good this series is.

 

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Which rings do you mean? I’ve only watched the first two episodes, so maybe the Seven and the Nine are forged in episode 3, but the three Elven rings aren’t really gifts, they were forged by Celebrimbor using Sauron’s techniques but without his direct involvement. If it is the Seven and the Nine then those are “gifts” to Dwarves and Men, but with the massive side effects that come with Sauron’s direct involvement.

 

That's exactly what I needed. I forgot.

 

I've only watched Episode 1 so far, but I think it is much improved and more engaging.


Non-spoiler comments, but I'll still tag just in case

Spoiler: I feel these are non-spoiler and brief comments

I really like more of the focus on Elrond's agency, Sauron's character, and Adar. Also Cirdan.

I was a fan of season 1, even though I definitely found some parts disengaging, and I understood where they were going with Galadriel which has basis in what Tolkien wrote (and most of the changes) but still found Galadriel should have been done a little differently and wished the mithril origin/power was done differently, in Season 1. But Galadriel overall I was mostly fine, I think her not being the central character in S1 would have been an improvement though. But those are accepted facts now, which helps Season Two. I really like the shift to Elrond here as more of the central character, which I think is a big part of the shift that made Episode 1 really good.

Still uncertain of where they're going with the Stranger, how they'll treat Eregion, and the depiction of Gil-galad so far.

Looking forward to more of Khazad-dum and Numenor soon!

Very small actual spoiler on Cirdan

Spoiler: small mini-spoiler with known ultimate result

That was defintely an act of Ulmo! When Cirdan was out at sea.

@VadersLaMent - it's very clear they know, even from the trailers and short clips, by the main leaders/dignitaries of Lindon

 

I am so glad this is back. I've exhausted all the seasons of Bridgerton and I need something to fill the gap.

 

I did not take wocky for a Shonda Rhimes fan. A lot of sex people.

 

quoted older post, I think, by accident

 

Not really spoilers since this is all season 1 but since everyone is tagging spoilers and I'm unaware how (are we really gonna spoiler tag every comment on this thread btw?)





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The showrunners backed themselves into a corner by doing the opposite of the literature. They had Sauron already in Eregion previously giving Celebrimbor the advice necessary to create the three elven rings....whereas in the books the elves make the three rings in secret after Sauron as Annatar helps the elves create all the other rings of power. Because of this, they are now forced to have Elrond take the perspective of one who is against the creation of the three elven rings of power because...as I stated above....Sauron did in fact play a part in their creation. They should have never had Sauron in Eregion previously nor should they have made the elven rings first.

 

Forgot what day it was and randomly saw this up.

38 minutes 54 seconds in 2:1. Extreme boredom thus far.

This may prove to be a long night if I’m to finish and wake to fun morning on YouTube. Ambien time is approaching though so may have to do some morning viewing before the Tube party.

 

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Poppy is back! I hope she sings soon.

 

How poetic that

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they show a Caesar’in and then we get Caesar himself along with ole Poscoe.

 

Finished the first 3 episodes.

Really, really liked it. Big improvement.

Not entirely sure where they’re going with some characters/plots, and I still wish they’d depict two characters differently, but I thought the 3 episodes were really compelling. The characters and the plot were compelling. The pacing was much better and engaging. Elrond, Sauron, Adar, Celebrimbor, the Durins and Disa, Isildur, Miriel, Elendil, Pharazon, all really shine.

 

Can someone fill this moron in on how to do spoiler tags so we can talk about this show? I don't wanna piss anyone off although I'm not sure why we need spoiler tags to discuss when the episodes are out

 

I couldn’t make it last night. Had to turn this off somewhere in ep 2 last night. No 1st thing Tube treat for me just yet.

 

I have finally finished all 3. I really don’t have much to say other then ep 3 was the least boring of the borefest. Also dun dun dun

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Sauron holds the piece going into the forge last. So anticlimactic.

 

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The more I think about the "King of the Southlands" plot, the less it makes sense. So Halbrand basically just stumbles into the royal seal because a guy in a group of people fleeing the Southlands, due to orc attacks, took it from the dead king, yes? And then Sauron takes it while that guy is dying, for reasons I still do not grasp because Galadriel is the one who wants him to be the king....not Halbrand. So if he stole it in order to trick people into thinking he was the king, why wouldn't he immediately go along with Galadriel on this? The whole opening of the first episode of this season was just so strange. 20 minutes showing Halbrand's origins just to make the previous season's explanations more convoluted. It also makes Galadriel look even more dumb.

"You're a king aren't you?"

"I got this symbol from a dead guy"

"No, you must be a king. You need to work on wanting to be one"

"I'm not a king, I don't want to be one"

"Yes, become king."

Of course it's even more asinine that Galadriel just happened to stumble upon Halbrand's raft. If he had purposefully planned it, or somehow messed with fate or some other bs, I could somewhat buy it. But they write it as a chance meeting.

The show has seemingly retconned Sauron ruling over the orcs in S1's opening by here having him get killed off at the dawn of Morgoth's defeat? In the opening prologue for season 1, Galadriel explained they hunted for Sauron for thousands of years before the events of the first episode. Season 2 seems to retcon that initial series opener altogether. I also am not a fan of Sauron being murked by a bunch of orcs. Yes, Maiar aren't physically invincible but those such as Saruman and Gandalf are tied to their bodies by which their power is limited....they are lesser Maiar than Sauron is, no? Bor Mullet could perhaps go more in depth on that as I cannot recall the specifics....but it feels like a significant nerf. I don't take issue with those orcs not being pro Sauron...there is precedent for such.

and so....Galadriel became a ringbearer because a ring of power just happened to bounce in her direction when Gil Galad drops it? The king who just demanded to be handed all three rings? Gil Galad is just like, "oh, whoops, I dropped it....well, I suppose it's yours now because it landed near your feet! I know I tried to banish you from our lands a little while ago, and yes you brought the Dark Lord to our lands, but go ahead and keep it. In fact, I won't even say anything! It'll just be an unspoken understanding that if it fell on the floor near you, it's yours now.....even if it's the most powerful object in the world that I was so utterly determined to get my hands just a bit ago."

 

How much singing and dancing do we get from Tom Bombadil?

 

No Tom yet

 

The first three episodes are great and the second season seems like it’s going to be much better than the first. The first season isn’t really bad it’s just flat and boring at times.

Shout out to Ciaran Hinds and his pimped out throne room.

 

I make deft use of the fast forward button. Also, while I've seen these shows, it's a matter of communal viewing with others that are truer fans. This was more a joke about the way they prioritized themes/storylines in ROP.

 

I don't understand. What fake-out? It's just showing us what happened to Sauron before the events of season one.

 

What a ripoff.