Discussion Simon Kinberg to Write SW Trilogy of Movies

I play Destiny 2 and it's kinda like when Bungie Studios nerfs the crap out of a ability or gun strictly because the usage rate statistic says everyone is using it more than everything else that is available ..........BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THEY BUFFED THE CRAP OUT OF THAT ABILITY OR GUN AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS LOWKEY THROWING! they balance the game based on statistics that THEY quite literally and forcefully create and it's maddening at times.

So basing anything regarding the SW IP off of the viewership of Acolyte, IMO, is asinine because they put leadership in charge of that series that essentially doomed it from the beginning. They forced the numbers, essentially. And if they are too dumb to realize it, welp.

 

SW and Lucasfilm have trained the casual audience to expect things to be Rey-centric going forward and $$ will follow at first. I like the idea of her in a defined role but i believe the following 3 points must be part of a trilogy that includes her and others to some degree:

1- Jedi must be given a reason for being in a next film. No more sith or not we need to see why they still matter and how that relates to the force if at all.
2- Rey is important as i noted above but her role in film 1 must be clearly defined and executed with a plan in mind that allows new characters to quickly develop and become popular in their own right>
3- The story going forward has to be dynamic and relatable to all fans not just diehard fans. My guess would be there will be competing themes that cause conflict and a likely separation such as the dark side light side did in the PT. That makes decisions about the force role critical.

Oh, and where to get Grogu involved, yes that we can determine after he gets an Oscar for the Mando movie. Cannot wait for that!

 

That has nothing to do with anything I just said. I was merely talking about the “marketing pull” of the show, not the show itself. I agree that it’s a flawed show (one of my least favorite now in fact), but even if it were a good show, I feel like it still wouldn’t have done well because casuals just don’t care about some random Jedi story that takes place 100 years before the main movies. Good word of mouth can only take you so far. Andor was good, but supposedly even that show didn’t do too well, numbers-wise. They even had to air it on regular tv just to try to get more eyes on it.

Penguin is a rare exception where good word of mouth doubled the viewership between the show’s debut and the finale, but just simply banking on word of mouth is not a good business strategy, unfortunately. Ultimately, this is the cost of Star Wars now being owned by a publicly-traded company.

 

That might be true, but how about banking on making good stories, developing great characters, having great cinematography and music, and delivering a fantastic work of art as a product? I wonder if this strategy has ever worked with major franchises? Ah, yes, it actually works 100% of the time. Including that one time in 1977 when the movie stayed in the theaters for so long, that anyone who saw the movie wearing shorts and a t-shirt could also go watch it with a heavy coat, thick socks and a hat.

By the way, do you actually know a single person who says "anyway, when's the next Rey movie?" or was it a figure of speech?

 

My parents are always asking about the next Rey movie.

As far as “banking on making good stories,” etc., that’s all subjective. ANH could’ve bombed way back in 1977. In fact, Lucas thought it was going to, so much so that he even made a bet with Speilberg over it cause he thought Close Encounters would end up making more. That’s irrelevant though because he didn’t make ANH to make money. He made it cause it was the movie he wanted to make. Difference now though is that, as I said above, Star Wars is now owned by a publicly-traded company. You can blame the company itself, or you can blame Lucas for selling it to them in the first place, or both. Point is, the people who own it now are always gonna be thinking about money first and foremost.

also movies back then stayed in theaters for like a year all the time cause home video didn’t exist yet.

 

All i know if the Rey movie seems to be talked about more than any other project. Probably out of tradition. the same way people seem to automatically believe it has to be episode 10,11 or 12. Giving off the impression people are more attracted to familiarity.

 

Correct. I remember the Sharmeen movie being talked about here A LOT back when it was first announced in early 2023, and now the same thing seems to have happened again with this Kinberg announcement.

 

I think people tend to underestimate the appeal of Rey. Pairing her with Grogu, Ahsoka, or Mando would be huge and have immense crossover potential. That's enough to get people intrigued. All you need after that is good promotion and a semi-decent story. A creative and iconic new villain wouldn't hurt either.

 

If they do pair her with Mando, they better keep his helmet on the whole time, considering how old he would be by then (assuming they wanna keep Pedro and not have him wear old man makeup, that is). Maybe they could have him walk with a bit of limp or something tho, just to acknowledge his age.

It’ll be interesting to see what the future holds for Grogu and Ahsoka. I have a feeling Ahsoka will eventually replace the daughter on Mortis, somehow. For Grogu, I expect (or hope) he’d be able to talk by the time he meets Rey.

 

Yeah and I would argue that the meme culture helped too

I don't think the market is really there for Rey though. That's the thing

 

No it didn't. What helped the PT was those who grew up with it finally being old enough to make their voices being heard, which was completely disconnected from the ST. Those who didn't like the PT didn't suddenly start to like it because of the ST, you are merely projecting your own opinion on the matter onto everyone else.

Did you have people who like the ST less than the PT? Duh. You have that for every possible opinion. You even have people who like the OT the least for all sorts of reasons. Pretending that the PT gained a widespread sudden appreciation due to the ST is not supported by anything. Haters focusing on something more recent, doesn't somehow mean they hate what they hated before less now.

 

Yeah from my experience, the ST didn’t really change Gen Xers’ opinions on the PT too much. They were OT purists before, and they’re still OT purists now. I think the “PT resurgence” we’ve been seeing woulda happened in the late 2010s regardless of the ST existing (or being good or bad or whatever) because that’s when the kids who grew up with the PT became the dominant voice of the fandom online. Not sure if the same will happen with the ST, though. I think, even if the ST was good, it woulda still had a hard time reaching younger audiences cause the way kids consume media is totally different now.

 

The thing is tho, "The Acolyte" was a streaming show. It didn't fail on the grand stage (cinema.) We still have DotJ (hopefully) coming down the pipe, if that fails then we may see more hesitance to branch out.

But what category will he win? Costume design? Visual effects? Best supporting actor? A sweep of all three of those?

Andor's viewership numbers shifted in a positive direction as the season went on due to positive word of mouth, which is indicative of quality. Alas, quality doesn't always equal profit. I'm very interested to see what the viewership numbers will be for Andor S2.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Sharmeen film will be absorbed into the Kinberg trilogy. Or perhaps they jettison the Sharmeen/Rey film, but have Sharmeen direct the first installment of the Kinberg trilogy. Sharmeen is going to direct a SW film either way, I'm almost certain of it.

Eh, I kinda half-heartedly agree with this. She's no Luke Skywalker, that's for sure. That being said there was no market for Luke Skywalker back in '77 but GL made a great film and the rest is history. If they do everything right and make a great film (or trilogy or whatever) starring Rey the people will show up and buy tickets and merch.

 

Kevin Feige interfered with Simon Kinberg’s original plans for Dark Phoenix because it was going to have a similar third act as Captain Marvel. Here’s a story about what happened.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...-crossover-with-captain-marvel-123841899.html

 

What’s your source for that (and I’m not talking brown sauce)?

 

For the Kylo Ren comic, that was officially announced last month at New York Comic-Con. Link from the Star Wars website is below.

https://www.starwars.com/news/marvel-legacy-of-vader

 

Yep it's basically taking the place of the Vader comic. And Darkhorse is starting a Poe ongoing around the same time.

 

I find it interesting that Kylo is getting an ongoing before Rey.

I do think he has more fan appeal than Rey. Beyond just his cool outfit and saber.

It helps that he is actually apart of the Skywalker bloodline, Lukes nephew, had more Jedi training then Rey. He feels more naturally apart of the story then the revelation about Rey’s background (child of clone of Palpatine).

It really was a mistake to kill of Ben Solo in TRoS. Keeping him alive prevents a repeat of Vaders end, and creates an interesting story forward. I wouldn’t want him romancing Rey or helping her train students (after what he did), but work on a different path towards being a better man.

Rey is just not enough to keep the “Skywalker legacy” alive, since she barely interacted with Luke and only knew Leia for around a year.

Lucasfilm betted on the wrong horse.

 

Because they are making a movie about Rey. The novels and comics have largely stayed out of the movies and TV shows way ever since the reboot happened.

It's one of the main reasons High Republic became a thing so the novels and comics could tell their own original story full of their own characters.

 

Ah I see a comic… for a second I thought animated show.

 

Which is a mistake considering, that PT was being fleshed out by the books, comics, video games while the films were still coming out.

 

Kylos ongoing is set in the year gap between TLJ and TRoS.

We could get a Rey ongoing set in that same gap, see her learning more about becoming a Jedi, her relationship with Leia, the Reistance rebuilding, her fixing Anakins saber.

The whole “well we are already going to see Rey post ST” is not a good excuse to never see anymore stories about her during the ST era.

A comic or an animated series (not long, only a few season) during that gap, could help to bring the character back to the spotlight before attempting to bring her back to the big screen again.

 

Yeah, how the sequels turned out I think is part of the problem of why they are having a hard time moving forward in the timeline.

I wonder at what point, they would just say screw it and just ignore that the sequels happened.

 

Well regardless if you think it is a good excuse or not it is the strategy the books and comics have taken ever since 2014.

 

To be fair a lot of those were probably not seen as canon by Lucas. Thats probably why things got made far easer and quicker. He knew he wasn't commiting to them if he ever wanted to change anything.

While Disney are basically trying to make everything canon and are taking it all very seriously when it comes to creating a timeline of events. Which means everything has to go through a dozen filters before its allowed to happen.

If they ignored the ST what exactly would change? Seems like ignoring it would do nothing at this point.