Amph Waiting For Superman: Gunnverse DCU/Elseworlds (New Trailer!)

And by the way, I know some people have been somewhat enthusiastic about the "return" of John Williams' original score. Maybe my musical sensibilities aren't as in tone as others are, but it doesn't really sound anywhere near the original.

Returns, for all of its flaws, still kept that score in check. That's why this initial teaser sold the movie for me.

 

People love Superhero dogs is a constant in the universe!

 

Was that Milly Alcock on the tv screens in the Daily Planet scene? Is Supergirl’s alter ego a news anchor?

 

I'm not really much of a Superman fan, but the thing that has me interested in this movie is the rumors/talk that you already have an established group of superheroes working for the government (who I'm guessing Guy Gardener and Hawkgirl are part of) and now you have Superman becoming a hero and being independent. And you know how much I love a good anti-authority story.

 

At its roots Superman was always against greedy capitalists (Lex Luthor) and looked out for the little guy, the workers, and sought to right social injustices. I'm getting a sense that the government is evil, or corrupted here. Perhaps working with Luthor to create a better city, fight off the slums and crime, for their own benefit of course, and then Superman shows up. The scene where the military and that superhero is taking Supes captive....and even that mine scene where the workers are running for their lives and the little boy is calling on Superman to save them speaks to this theme.

 

Thank you for admitting your statement was irrational.

The “only care because of Snyder” is so painfully not true of people who like his Superman. Take me - I’ve seen every modern iteration of the character except the Superman and Lois version. I’ve also read what amounts to a small library of comics with the character. Can you really call me not a fan?

 

Looks good. I'm in.

 

Speaking for myself, i would never. But I do think some of them are Snyder fans first and foremost. When MOS came out my Snyder-loving brother was like 'Yes...a realistic Superman. Cuz you know if a powerful alien arrived here on earth we'd hate it and try to kill it. Finally a grown up Superman story!"

I pointed out to him, that while that's certainly an interesting take, it's not really what defines Superman. If you want a realistic, gritty, alien superhero who is hated by humanity movie, go make it. But why to try wedge Superman into that mold? Why does a Superman movie even need to be for adults?"

And that doesn't even begin to mention that its hardly a grown up story either. It's more like what a 13 year old envisions as being a grown up story. I would also point out that he loved the Picard series too, because "it was realistic and made for adults". As if Star Trek TNG wasn't, which he never even watched when we were kids and made fun of me for watching it on Saturday nights. But he loved Picard series, because people swear in it, and they hate droids. Or something.

 

... now there's an idea.

 

Yep.

Guy Gardner, Hawkgirl, Metamorpho and Mister Terrific are members of the League under Max Lord.

Absolute Superman is definitely that type of Superman.

@DarkGingerJedi All of what you said.

 

That's fair, but here's my idea of what defines Superman: he is hope. He is a symbol of light and goodness and a reminder to us all to be our better selves. And for me, contrasting that with the real world, which IS a really dark and disturbing place, was a perfect fit. In Snyder's films, yes Clark struggles a lot, but everything he does ultimately winds up making the other characters and inhabitants of the world a lot better off - but unfortunately the key piece to that arc, the Snyder Cut, was left unreleased for a long time. Yes, he's not in the Cut much, but every character in that film looks up to him and he had a positive impact on their life's trajectory. To me, that's really powerful, and there's nothing more quintessentially Superman.

In the same way, Christopher Reeves' version of the character was also about hope - it's just way, way more in-your-face about it. I'm pretty fond of Superman II, but I don't really revisit it because for me there's not as much depth in that more simplistic take on the character. That's not to say it holds no value - it's definitely a quality piece of entertainment and I definitely think every fan should check out the Donner films. But that lack of exploration of Clark's effect on other characters and society is what keeps me coming back to the Snyder films in rewatches rather than other things - it's what I enjoy most about the character from the comics.

And it's why I'm not thrilled Gunn seems to be aping the Reeves approach - if I want to watch and enjoy the Donner films, I can already do that. Bring something new to the table, or better yet, give Henry Cavill a spin under a new director and let's see what they can do.

I think this is how a lot of Snyder fans see it.

 

I think there's way more here than aping the Donner films. Donner Superman barely fought any of his real comic enemies outside of Lex and Zod. I don't even think they had the rights to use anyone other than those two either. We never saw him battle giants monsters or high-tech robots. This Clark and Superman also seem very different than the Reeves version of the character - where he is supremely confident of who he is, and his purpose, and we barely get anything other than that mythic hero.

That said, this movie is definitely taking cues from those films. The hope is certainly back. The JW theme returns, but with cosmic electric guitar cords thrown in. The Fortress is showing us the Donner crystals too. And we exist in a world where Lois already knows Clark, and may even know he's Superman. If Superman Returns hadn't already done it, I'd almost say this builds off of those old movies, but a slightly different universe where it starts showing those classic Superman characters and enemies on screen. The sci-fi comic fantasy is boosted to 11 here.

 

The most interesting thing about Superman is how long the character has been part of the mass entertainment culture. My dad was 2 years old when the comic book came out. He listened to the radio show. People involved in the radio and tv show were still working in the business when the 78 movie came out. Even when we had 40 years of terrible movies after that there was still some pretty good Superman tv throughout. The decades of bad movies maybe shouldn’t have so much influence. But I also don’t see why the comic books should have more influence than say the 1940s radio show.

 

I think he's a lame character in a ridiculous suit. Who can fly.

We should have progressed beyond this by now.

But don't let me rob you of your enjoyment otherwise.

 

I’m also partial to the one where he deliberately traps a bunch of rich people in a mine in order to scare the owner into improving safety conditions. Golden Age Supes was 100% not ****ing around.

 

I like what I see so far. It looks like the Superman I know and love.

...And not a moment too soon. If I have to sit through another "modern audiences are too jaded to believe in [insert iconic hero]" movie, I'm going to through my popcorn bucket at the screen.

 

Other than this looking still a little more washed out in some scenes than I'd prefer, this looks really good...

 

Him coming back as Superman in Black Adam and being turfed a month later was pretty weird. I guess in the DCEU he is still going but Barry broke that universe and got sent to the Schumacher-verse

 

The Salkinds had the rights to every character, but Alexander Salkind refused to use Brainiac and Mxyzpltk. He finally relented for "Superboy".







Also, a lot of Superman lore over the last twenty years has relied on Donner. From reusing the score, to using characters and the technology. If the Daniel Craig Bond films can reuse the theme and the Abrams Trek used Courage's series theme, then the Williams score should be used. It was used in Superman's last four cinematic appearances and during COIE.

Nope. Earth-97 Bruce switched places with Earth-13 Bruce, which was originally supposed to happen with Earth-89 Bruce and Kara. Personally I would rather have Earth-Prime Barry appear and offer to talk about his experiences and then end with them racing.