JCC Embrace The FU - Formerly the STAR WARS IS BAD thread

Yes.

 

Who does he play/!!! The elephant?

How do you guys talk about all this crap and never mention key details.

 

It's 2025 and Wocky still can't google.

 

This. This thread in particular gets a lot more active when lots of people in here find lots of things to complain about or make fun of. More well liked shows like Andor didn't get discussed that much in this thread either. Also, it seems to me like there's quite a bit of Skeleton Crew discussion in the TV forum, in multiple threads.

 

Well, Wock, it's a show about pirates, and his character... are you going to guess?... wait for it... his character... is... a pirate!

 

Does he bore a breach through the hull of a GR-75 medium transport, quick draw his DL-44 blaster rifle, and then as the smoke is clearing over his fallen enemies, say "Did I do that?"

 

Hey, I'm there too!

 

This thread had almost nothing to say when Andor was coming out too.

 

That was 80 pages. This is now 8.

 

Either way, using this forum to make sense of anything in the wider world is a mistake.

The show is genuinely well done.

 

Is it too late for a Star Wars streaming series to finally be good? We have no idea whether the show has found an audience, and Disney is under no obligation to tell us. There’s certainly not much evidence that the show has had any kind of pop culture impact like a baby Yoda. It doesn’t need that to be competent and well made but it helps if you want people to talk about it so that other people fear they’re missing out if they don’t see it.

There are any number of well made shows across the streaming universe, and I don’t intend to watch them much in the same way I don’t intend to watch this. There’s also the question of whether Disney plus has much to offer anyone who doesn’t have children. If I wanted to retrench and subscribe to fewer things, Disney would be first on the chopping block. I’ve been too lazy to do it.

 

I vaguely recall talk about a lot of other things at the time.

We know Andor underperformed with views too, even if critically acclaimed, and I heard that was one reason why they only gave it one more season.

 

I have only vaguely seen reports, but I believe the viewing numbers are not good.

I think it’s possible these types of shows aren’t really what people watch premium television for. I can’t speak for anyone else, but if I’m investing time in a long narrative, I generally want it to be fairly plot driven and mature. Apart from Andor none of these shows have been that. I think casual episodic television is where it’s at for science fantasy, where the storyline is wrapped up in an episode or two.

I only watch these shows because I’m a big fan of the franchise. I can’t imagine casual fans would be that interested in it, no matter how good it is on its own terms.

 

But Andor was also a disappointment in viewership.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...dget-shows-how-its-lost-control-of-star-wars/

Andor cost over $600 million yet is the least watched show on Disney+ behind Obi-wan Kenobi, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, etc.

Skeleton Crew cost only $120 million.

 

I remember during that 80 page stretch we had the discussion about relative cost with Andor and Rings of Power and season one of HotD all having high costs per episode and overall. Andor may have been the cheapest of the three, but not by all that much.

The answer is that Star Wars isn't a good ongoing project for Disney until and unless they can produce theatrical releases at reasonable intervals that generate $1billion ish in global box office. And even that may no longer really be possible. Disney plus isn't doing the job of keeping interest in Star Wars alive between movies. And the only movie on the horizon is a spinoff from Disney plus. It's a trainwreck, and not a very exciting one.

 

Yep, it was, likely for another reason though - that most people don’t go to Star Wars to watch well plotted or mature television in the first place. That’s why I think that episodic television is much more sensible.

As for the price of Andor. Let’s not interrupt Disney while they’re making a mistake which is beneficial to the audience.

I don’t really think there’s too much of a concern until the theatrical releases have a run of failures. Despite what many here are saying, I think Mando and Grogu will probably be successful, and I’m willing to bet that First Jedi movie will be as well.

 

Was this statement meant for Senate thread instead?

 

It applies to anything and everything written here

 

If people think 80 vs 8 pages, or a TV forum visited by only five halfwits (and Bor and Sarge) is not an indication of anything, I guess I don't know what to tell them. Maybe to keep dreaming.

 

According to an article on Collider, Skeleton Crew is doing very well. When the article was written on 12/29, Skeleton Crew was #2 in the top 10 TV shows on Disney+ according to FlixPatrol's stats. Where and how they get their information, I do not know. If you look today, it's #1. https://flixpatrol.com/top10/disney/

 

It’s an indication that Star Wars TV isn’t working as a business. But we’ve known that for years and Disney is already winding it back.

If we start seeing these new films flop, then LFL has an existential issue.

 

I think it's more an indication of the long decline of this kind of messageboard, plus the past two weeks have been the "holiday season." Not saying that Star Wars is doing great or that the people running things have any clue how to move forward, but we might as well say that no one is interested in Marvel because there are no Geocities pages dedicated to it.

 

Disney seems to be hedging its bet by limiting Baby Yoda: The Motion Picture to a budget of about $120 million. That will make it the least expensive Star Wars movie of the Disney era and, given inflation, down there with The Clone Wars as one of the cheapest Star Wars theatrical releases. Its production values will be more comparable to the baby yoda tv series than The Force Awakens. That means they'd basically be ok with a movie that makes $400 million worldwide. Then they just throw it back into the Disney plus hopper as if baby yoda had never left. But those are not the kinds of numbers Disney needs to keep its Lucasfilm operation going at the originally envisioned levels. Movie revenue like that would require a major restructuring of the Star Wars side of the Disney business. Maybe that's already happened to some extent. Star Wars and Marvel and Pixar at Disney were built for billion dollar movies. Right now none of those movie arms are delivering reliably. Pixar and Marvel barely got it done in 2024, but Star Wars remains a blight on their portfolio.