Senate The US Politics 2.0 Discussion Thread

Is it possible they’re trying to get the Supreme Court to somehow interpret it in a more limited way (even though I understand the Constitution is pretty explicit)? Or does an executive order review not allow for binding precedent?

 

Actually I do wager they uphold birthright citizenship. Cause if they do get rid of it it means officially none of the constitution matters

 

They can pretty much do whatever the hell they want, which is not only a major part of the problem with America overall, but also instrumental in returning Trump to power.

I have little hope they will adhere to the Constitution at this point.

 

Unfortunately, whilst I agree, you don’t have time for that. You need to play the game and get someone out there who people want to vote for.

They better be looking yesterday.

 

Yeah, but making the constitution meaningless makes it so much easier for Trump to be president until he dies.

 

Making the constitution meaningless makes the Supreme Court useless and they don’t want that

 

You're using logic and we're living in a post-logic world. We're cooked.

 

Literally we are cooked! I was just catching up on a really good podcast called Sea Change. The episode is from Dec 27. The topic LNG or liquified natural gas. It's 33% worse for the environment than coal and was illegal until 2016. Biden finally recently paused it's use again... until yesterday. Most interestingly it's also more expensive than just regular natural gas. So it will drive the price of energy up and line pockets of oil executives. The more I learn the less I think anyone will be able to keep this planet sustainable for human life.

 

When people denied that COVID was real even as they and their loved ones were dying from it and then they actively protested against the vaccine that was all I needed to know to understand that we'll never get enough people to care enough about climate change. We're in a version of the last half of the movie, "Don't Look Up".

 

So for people who are tied into medicine a bit more than me what’s the over under on when we get our next Covid like pandemic? Especially under this idiocy

 

The Constitution as a sacred cow justifying their authority is import to them. The constitution as in the actual words written down on the page are absolutely meaningless to them. They can interpret the words however they want: I.E. “Freedom of religion means our freedom to persecute you for not practicing our religion, not your freedom to have your own beliefs.”

 

It’s the pretence of constitutionalism which makes them relevant. Even if they have to preempt Trump’s actions, ultimately they know they have no enforcement ability, which means they may elect to become a rubber stamp rather than lose all relevance.

I think the United States has been in a slow moving constitutional crisis since the 2020 election, and it’s speeding up. If the executive chooses to disregard convention they will triumph in any constitutional crisis which the judiciary or legislature resists. But that it will mean the destruction of the constitutional system itself. The question is whether the other branches will bend, or break, under the pressure. The hope must be that they will bend and some repair can be made afterwards. If they break, all bets are off.

 

Best of luck, then, in your resistance alongside the very politicians whose corruption, myopia, and incompetence helped usher in these lunatic revolutionaries.

I'm neither smart nor strategic enough to prescribe a specific plan of attack against the Far Right, but I do know that it will require passion, courage, and even a touch of inspired madness. We're fighting for our very lives now, and those of the entire world.

 

I don’t disagree with you. But say we have a democracy come 2028 or 2026 should you throw your vote away on voting for a third party candidate for congress

edit: something came up I’ll finish this later urgent.

 

I suppose it's always been like this but Trump pardoning the J6ers pretty much has deputized these and other likeminded people to be Trump's official militia. There can be no doubt that they firmly believe that they can carry out acts of violence in the name of Donald Trump and they will get away with it. They will feel like it is their duty to do so.

 

Well said. Now is not the time for idealism. The Democratic Party is the only organization potentially powerful enough to resist the current dictatorship. It is what it is. If you don't like the organization, then don't whine. Work to change it.

 

There is a very decent chance that the Supreme Court will rule that a child born in the U.S. with birth parents neither of whom is a legal resident or U.S. Citizen can be denied birthright. It would require overturning clear precedent, but that would not be a first.

 

Im sure Gorsuch has an opinion penned at a 16th century witch trial in Wales or something ready to go as legal justification.

 

It's already here. It's called bird flu.

Yup. And watch how quickly it goes from targeting immigrants to LGBTQ+, then Democrats in general. Everyone get our their MAGA hats!

So during oral arguments this week, he actually used the word "fortnight" (as in a two-week time period). He probably thought he was being hip and cool, but it was actually quite jarring.

 

@Vaderize03 you think it will be worse than Covid at some point?

anyway in personal political news as you are aware I became a citizen last month and finally registered to vote today so I can vote in the local election next month.

the person who was helping g me at city hall was very nice and very excited. Said most people just do it through mail or online (although online isn’t available for new citizens)

 

It's the national Gleichschaltung project, with the January 6 pardonees, Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as the core of the citizen brigades that will help enforce it.

 

If it causes severe disease at a higher rate than COVID, then yes.

Some statistics for you:

Assuming an attack rate of 70-80% (for comparison, norovirus, the nasty GI bug currently making the rounds, has an attack rate of nearly 100%, meaning that almost everyone who gets exposed gets sick; also, it takes fewer than 10 virus particles entering your system to cause clinically-significant disease), you're talking close to 300 million illnesses in the United States alone (granted, the overwhelming majority of people might not get that sick, but it's impossible to know for sure). COVID had a mortality rate of around 1.2% in the United States, so if a novel bird flu virus had say, 2% excess mortality...well, you do the math.

And something else to chew on: let's say you have a 10% severe illness rate requiring hospitalization and potentially ICU admission and need for intubation and a ventilator. That's 30 million inpatients, and I guarantee you we don't have 30 million hospital beds in the United States, let alone physicians and nurses to care for them.

So yeah, it could be a major issue. But let's get fluoride out of the water and ban vaccines like RFK, Jr says we should and all will be well.

 

Question for you -- and you know me well enough to know I actually want the answer and am not RFK Jr. -- but I think I've seen some actual NIH studies in the last little bit that suggests that fluoridizing water may (at this point in time) be doing more harm than good (lower IQ rates in children vs. amount of fluouride we can reasonably get these days via home dental products like toothpaste)?

Giz did a report on it, but I'm curious what the actual take is of front-line, practicing doctors?