Saga Here is my unorthodox Star Wars opinion: change my mind!

AOTC is the original Lucas movie that i enjoy the least i feel like its Twilight but with a Star Wars logo a love story for teenagers i feel like that movie didnt age well but the Sequels have a worse romance

 

Maybe in Perschworld you are.

 

There should be multiple timelines Post ROTJ to make Sequels for fans who didnt like the JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson Sequels im not saying to do a Retcon of the Sequels but to explain that there are other timelines you can do it with World Between Worlds so the Sequels would be Canon from a certain point of view but in a different Universe and then make the Lucas Sequels or other Sequels to keep some fans happy although i think it will never happen

 

People can do this without an official declaration by LFL. It's not a requirement.

 

To put it in MST3K terms, just think "Girl in Lover's Lane".

 

Fans will never be happy.

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Also, Anakin's arc is an exploration into how a normal/good person goes bad. After arriving on Coruscant, Anakin's normal, good and innocent traits get warped into bad ones, which he justifies.

In TPM we see Ani is basically like most other kids:
Lofty ambitions ("I wanna be the first one to see 'em all!)
Strong sense of identity (a person, not just a slave)
Pride in his talents (good at fixing things, "I'm the only human who can do it.")
A belief that Jedi can do whether want (i.e. free slaves)
A strong bond with his mother while still at the age of emotional dependence.

Then we have the fact he's a slave, living with the possibility he & his mom could be separated at any time, and feeling powerless to keep devastating changes and loss from happening in his life.

And we also see him harboring a secret pod racer from his master which he uses for a noble cause. Which was enabled by Qui-Gon. He learns in Episode I it's ok to go against authority to use your gifts to help others. Nothing wrong with that per se, especially given the circumstances...

However, in the hands of Palpatine, these natural, normal traits for a kid, can be molded into a sense of self-righteousness and entitlement in a young adult, and justified as a life of conscience.

Anakin and Palpatine have a tacit mutual understanding that the Jedi plot thing is the justification to kill them, and while doing that, gain the power to stop death.

And why would Anakin suspect Palpatine planted the dreams of his mother & wife in pain? For his mother, he was actually feeling her real pain in real time. Why would his vision of Padmé's future be any different?

Anakin understands that, as the Sith Lord, Palpatine is behind everything, but is willing to accept that if it means teaming up with him will save his wife. He then plans to double-cross Palpatine and kill him once he saves Padmé.

I feel the choices Anakin makes in Episode III are efficiently set up in the previous episodes. He's making choices he knows are wrong, but is making them anyway because he can't handle the pain of loss again, and feels he's powerful enough to pull off learning the cheat-death spell.

Yeah, to turn a Jedi, one must slowly groom them so that they can be maneuvered into making a rash, snap decision that will trap them with nowhere else to go. I feel the brilliance of Anakin's turn is that it's a slow burn with a quick yank.

 

I might.

 

I cant take Padme line in ROTS seriously when she tells Anakin that it was rumored that he had been killed and my mind reminds me of Anakin fighting alongside the Bad Batch im sorry but TCW concepts dont fit with ROTS for me i cant imagine Darth Maul still being alive during that movie or Anakin having a Padawan and Obi Wan communicating with her but never contacting her again when Anakin falls to the Dark Side

 

It is a little bit of a stretch as of course when ep3 was made Ashoka had not been created and only the 2d clone wars existed (which fits perfectly)
However I quite like the changes and it illustrates how widespread the clone wars was and how thinly spread the jedi had become
Mauls resurrection was GLs idea I believe and I did have trouble with it to begin with but now can't imagine being without all the extra maul we got

 

Happiness in fandom is a choice

 

But Palpatine would have maybe 5% of Anakin's time, the rest would with be the Jedi.
Are they not able to counter this?

But if both of them know that there is no Jedi plot and Anakin does not care about that, he only wants the "Stop-Death spell", why would they bother?
Why go with this pointless "motivation" that both know is nonsense?

That they use it to paint the Jedi as bad to the senate and the general public, fine.
But if both of them know that this is lies, why even waste their time when talking to each other?

But Anakin has no proof that this "stop-death spell" is even a thing and when he learns that Palpatine is a sith, and thus not trustworthy and yet he accepts it as real.
This makes him seem really gullible.
Worse, Palpatine admits that he does not actually have the "stop-death spell" despite his earlier promises and only makes vague assurances.
And Anakin, despite only doing what he did for this reason, does not react.

Except with Luke, it seems that all it takes is get the Jedi boiling mad and have them kill in hate and boom, they turn.

Bye for now.
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Frankly, I find The Empire Strikes Back extremely boring. It is well made, but it has never truly captivated me. I only watch it when I do Star Wars marathons; otherwise, I do not watch it at all.

As time goes by, I feel increasingly emotionally detached from Star Wars. Do not get me wrong — it is a franchise I enjoy and always watch with pleasure, but I am no longer as passionate about it as I was two or three years ago. If Star Wars were to shut down tomorrow, with no more movies or series ever being made, it would not affect me in the slightest. Personally, I believe Star Wars has already given everything it had to offer. Besides, there are many other space franchises that captivate me far more, such as Star Trek and Babylon 5.

 

this is basically saying "force yourself to accept mediocrity" OR "smile through the crap THIS is great consume consume consume "

 

No. It isn't.

 

Sometimes its ok to just enjoy things you find enjoyment in even if 99% others hates it.

 

No. The point is not to force yourself to accept mediocrity, but rather to understand that within a franchise, you cannot like everything. If you always find something to complain about in every single part of a franchise, then perhaps it would be better to stop following it altogether.

If you claim to be a Star Wars fan but only like A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, then you are not truly a Star Wars fan. You are simply someone who enjoys two Star Wars films, which is not quite the same thing.

One should neither accept mediocrity, nor adopt an overly intellectualistic approach where everything must be profound, carry a deep message, be executed flawlessly, and adhere strictly to rigid cinematic standards no one really cares about.

 

what a load of rubbish

this is gatekeeping at it's finest.

 

It is not about gatekeeping; it is simply about calling things by their proper names. Star Wars consists of 11 films, more than 10 animated series, over 100 comic book series, more than 250 novels, and over 100 video games. If out of all this, you only appreciate two films, then objectively, you are not a Star Wars fan; you are simply a person who likes two Star Wars films. A person who enjoys Star Wars as a franchise would appreciate more than two films.

 

yeah liking two SW films has a term/definition:

Fan.

 

I do not care about what other people like. There are countless people on this forum who enjoy things that I personally hate, yet I have never even thought of saying that those people are not real fans. What I am saying is that you cannot call yourself a fan of a franchise if you only appreciate a single thing about it. Star Wars is a multimedia franchise; it is not a single trilogy, nor is it just two films. If, out of an entire franchise filled with countless stories, you only appreciate two of them, can you truly consider yourself a fan of the franchise as a whole? I believe the answer is no. I think you are more of a fan of those two specific stories rather than the franchise itself.

It would be like calling yourself a fan of The Simpsons while only liking two episodes and disliking the rest of the show. If you dislike the show as a whole and only enjoy two episodes, then objectively, you are not a fan of The Simpsons as a series; you are simply a fan of these two specific episodes, which is not the same thing,. A franchise or a series are made up of more than two episodes or two films.

Do you like the Original Trilogy? Great, I consider you a fan. Do you like both the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy? That is perfectly fine — I still consider you a fan. Do you enjoy all three trilogies, along with the spin-off films? Fantastic, you are a fan. Do you appreciate the Canon timeline? You are a fan. Do you prefer Legends? You are still a fan. But if you only like A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back, then I consider you a fan of A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back — not a fan of Star Wars as a franchise. Star Wars is more than just those two films; it is a vast universe of stories, and appreciating only a miniscule part of it does not make one a fan of the whole.

If I say that I like Italian cuisine, but then I actually hate all Italian dishes except for carbonara, then I am not really someone who likes Italian cuisine; I am simply someone who likes carbonara.

 

So if one likes at least three movies from this "multimedia franchise", they are a fan. But if one likes only two, they are not?

As far as I'm concerned, merely liking or enjoying something doesn't make one a fan of it. Fan comes from fanatic. Zeal and strong interest is an intrisic part of being a fan. Nowadays the word fan is to banalized... It's now nothing but shorthand for just liking something.

 

I agree with this... especially with Star Wars fandom, which has become increasingly divided over the years despite our increasing ability to communicate with ease.

As we know, the Star Wars universe has grown enormously since the original trilogy, expanding across prequels, sequels, TV shows, books, games and more. With such a vast universe, it's inevitable that not every fan will love every piece of content equally. Some fans cherish the prequels but dislike the sequels, others think the Disney+ shows revitalized the franchise while the films lost their way.

What makes this idea powerful is recognizing we have agency in how we engage with the franchise. Fans can focus on the parts they love while accepting that not everything will appeal to them. They can engage constructively with criticism rather than taking disagreements personally. They can appreciate different interpretations instead of insisting on one "correct" view. And they can reconnect with what made them fall in love with the universe in the first place.

This doesn't mean fans should never criticize or have strong opinions, but maintaining joy in fandom ultimately comes down to personal perspective and how we choose to engage with both the content and the community. Happiness isn't just about what's being produced—it's about how we choose to relate to it.

Unlike real-life concerns that often involve genuine hardship or circumstances beyond our control, fandom is fundamentally optional—a luxury and privilege that we choose to participate in. The "problems" we encounter as fans are quintessential first-world problems that exist in stark contrast to genuine struggles many face daily.

When fans claim George Lucas or Disney or whoever else is "ruining their childhood," there's something deeply misplaced about that sentiment. Your childhood remains intact regardless of what happens to a franchise decades later. The original experiences that brought you joy still exist exactly as they were. New content doesn't erase or invalidate what came before—it simply adds to an expanding universe. How you deal with that, is up to you....