Saga Why does Disney seem to shun the prequels for fear of fan reaction, but not the ST?.

Fans seem to be coming around on the PT which should piss me off, but at this point, I'm just indifferent

 

Yeah, people are free to be wrong.

 

Good let the old idea only OT exist and are good die off

 

I posted a bunch of data on this somewhere else...but the analytics and stats state that it's mostly adults buying franchise tie in toys these days...and it's been trending this way since the PT era.

 

.. ...eh?

 

OT Only purist,

 

Brother @Sarge what do you want to do with this one? Should we put them in the Comfy Chair?

Nobody expects the OT Inquisition!

 

Because Disney is ..... DISNEY! The never once had the sheer inventive power, imagination and insight of GEORGE LUCAS.

 

I'd say Disney has ended up embracing the prequels more so than 2015 style Abrams SW. In hindsight it feels like Disney's Star Wars really started with the tv shows in terms of a consistent and thought out creative vision. It amazes me how little TFA went on to influence the overall style of modern SW despite that the film was a big financial success.

 

Id say thats because there is so much lore building in the PT and Clone Wars. More than both the OT and ST combined. It allows Disney to create more content with all the added lore.
But then id say the reason they started embracing the PT is more because fandom started to show support for it. Suggesting that the PT was infact now considering fan pleasing. While before it was considered fan displeasing. It took several years for that to show.

For example. Rogue One brought back Jimmy Smitts. Which i remember was quite a big deal. One that i thought was going to be very negative but surprisingly wasn't very negative. But when you watch the film, it does feel like Jimmy's role is very small and diluted. He gets very little to say and when he does it felt like was being rushed off screen. Which does feel very intentional. While years later we get the Obi Wan show and Jimmy Smitts gets a fairly decent part. But these are years a apart showing the amount of time that progressed when it came to accepting the PT.

And in terms of what TFA did to influence Star Wars. its mostly just the same designs with small changes. Stormtroopers, x-wings, Starfighters. So for the most part its just the same thing as the earlier style. it can't influence a load if its just the same thing.

But then most of the TV shows are also mostly using old designs too. The Mandalorian is basically a show covered in nostalgia.

 

Don't underestimate continuity, people love to see the original actors returning to play their roles.

Mando is what it is, its set just after Jedi so its only natural it'll carry the iconography of the originals. But Mando shouldn't be dismissed as just something covered in nostalgia, its got a good story, interesting characters and it looks like it was made by people that care for the look, feel and lore of what made the original SW so good. In addition they are also adding to the world building of the originals and also the PT too, Mando is using iconography from both the OT and PT.

 

The Mandalorian had a lot of nostalgic appeal. In series 1 alone it was basically Boba Fett stand in finds a baby version of yoda and they go on adventures in their PT era ship with jawas, tuskans, tatooine and the episode 4 bar brought back. Walkers. And more storm troopers. Its a new show wrapped in recognisable skin. In terms of what it added or brought in... probably about the same amout as one ST film overall.

 

I feel like this could only be surprising if your view of the PT and its reception is so incredibly warped by online discourse. Of the problems people had with the PT Jimmy Smitts as Bail Organa was not one of them, so why would they be upset to see him back? The idea that someone would get angry to see a character in a place in the story that he belongs because he was also in a different movie(mind you Bail Organa isn’t even a PT invention. He was introduced from the very beginning of Star Wars, he was just offscreen) that they didn’t like is so ridiculous that a normal person wouldn’t even consider it. The concept you’re suggesting that the PT was so toxic that even just being reminded it existed by the presence of an actor reprising their role would cause an uproar is not real. That’s not even about whether the movies were overall liked or not, that’s just not how people work unless they’re crazy.

 

Its very much in line with fandom in general. If you can have something perfect then why would you want something reminding you of something imperfect that you don't like? You are suggesting that the fandom is sound-minded and sensible. Not people who go absolutely crazy over Star Wars. Which i feel like people yelling and screaming hate over Star Wars is fairly common.

 

People have really forgotten the flak George, Hayden, Jake and Ahmed got..it was brutal... heaven knows what it would've been like today. Luckily for Lucasfilm a few loyalists and a new younger/gaming generation could see the PTs merit.
Basically a lot of adults forgot how to suspend disbelief. It was so bad JJ was terrified to make any lino to the PT
Andor is basically like phantom menace meets a new hope in a quasi Marxist blender . Viva the rebellion

 

The fandom is comprised of millions and millions of people all with their own individual opinions and you are not only simplifying it only to the most extreme crazies which make up a tiny sliver, but you don't even really understand how they operate, which is why your assumption that Jimmy Smitts being in Rogue One would be frowned upon was so far off from reality.

 

I think critics and big youtubers with big media outlets were reason why the Prequel hate seemed so big. Many OT purits hated it but not everyone

 

Well its no secret to many people that the PT started getting more love and respect in the last 7-8 years. Im not the only person to notice this. This is often commented by both those who like the PT and hate them, aswell as the PT cast themselves. So when i say i expected people to hate on the news, its because prior to it, people were not kind of the PT. And it wasn't just everything sucked apart from Jimmy Smitts. it was those movies sucked!

For example. When Disney bought Star Wars, there were a lot of people that stated that Disney would ignore the PT. Or that they had to ignore those movies because they were so bad. And that reaction was built up from this expectation that everyone hated the PT and so Disney would also feel similar and attempt to remove them. So jumping 2 years ahead, TFA didn't have a lot of PT acknowledgement so even they followed that same thought process about the fans reaction to the PT. So how would it be strange to actually think that the fandom would stoop low as to hate the news purely because its attached to movies they didn't like? Because id say thats fairly normal.

But again, the thought process here is that there are millions of people and the people that hated the movies, gave them a bad reputation, made Disney react hide them during the build up to TFA and not include much of them in TFA are infact a small amount of people that i shouldn't be shocked to go on the internet and find people being positive about those movies, when for a long time, it was constant negativity. you couldn't go on say a clip of the PT on youtube and not see complaining and berating them. Now days its the complete opposite with non-stop love.

 

Sarge: So how long is this gonna take? (regarding a Rogue One sequel)

LFL:

 

That's fair.

Unless you're talking about Hayden Christensen's ghost in RotJ, which is appalling, egregious, and blasphemous, not mention a shocking affront to all that is good and decent in the holy OT.

 

You seem to be omitting the most important factor. Mando is telling a good story with interesting characters. People see through the veneer of nostalgia easily if the story is rubbish. Mando is picking up after arguably the best, most recognisable and most popular era of SW (the OT) so its natural to carry OT and PT references. But more than that it was progressing the state of the outer reaches of the galaxy, the remnants of the Empire and what they were doing, how bounty hunters were making their way through this state of flux, how stretched the new republic was and ultimately how Luke was building his academy. Mando is a lot better than just some cosplay nostalgia driven effort. The iconography of SW may hooks you in initially, but the story and characters keep you there and make you want to watch it again.

Yet here were are 26 years later. Hayden and Ahmed appearing in the shows is met with praise. The N1 starfighter, pit droids, battle droids and droidekas pop up and people are happy. Thats not just down to the younger generation, its down to time. Lets be brutally honest here, Jake Lloyd is still terrible in TPM and some of Natalie's and Hayden's lines are still terribly delivered in the last 2 films and time can't change that, (it doesn't warrant the abuse they got), but that moment in time when people didn't like elements of the PT has passed and is fading. Time heals. It just shows what a small percentage of the total fandom those haters were and how much more vocal it is when people don't like something, because now I think the PT is being embraced more when it comes to using its iconography / characters again.

 

Id say what it ultimately suggests is that the children who grew up with the PT came of age to speak up. Generations are often in large numbers. When the PT came out there was a generation maybe hitting their 20s or 30s. Again a very large generation. Very Ripe age to take the main say. While the PT generation is coming to that age now and has taken over that vocal spot. Time does heal. But the scale has also shifted. Most of the OT generation wouldnt win in that fight anymore. Many have accepted the loss of say. And when you stop fighting, you back down and deal with it.