Maybe- but the thing about technobabble is that it doesn't really matter how much of it you use. What is important is that it is used consistently (or, at the very least, in a consistent context) and done so in a way that its function (or whatever it is standing in for/representing) is clear to the audience. That way, even if you build upon it, you're building upon a functional, foundational knowledge that has some form of narrative logic (or point of reference) behind it. In other words, are you just using it to handwave something away? Or just establishing fictional components that you're playing with (either narratively or structurally) that we're not meant to understand the exact details of (because, future tech)? Like, to use a Star Trek example (as they're fairly famous for using technobabble in both good and bad ways): you don't need to know exactly how an EPS conduit works. All you need to be able to pick-up is that it is something used to connect power systems (specifically through the channeling of plasma, though that detail/level of specificity may often not be necessary). But, if you're verbally attributing it as a catch-all solution to, say, cure a random alien mutation/disease/evolution-of-the-week without any legwork as to how that would make any sense based on previously established functionality and context, then that's a poor use of it. That's an extreme example, of course, but you can walk the line between those extremes as well (Doctor Who "timey wimey" and whathaveyou is more of a good-natured handwaving). And Loki seemed to handle its technobabble fairly well (if rapidly- part of its humor, rhythm and charm, particularly when channeling it through Ke), on the whole. EDIT- Unrelated, but this mash-up works very well: I wasn't sure about it at first when the series began, but it quickly became a stand-out entry in the MCU score library.
So I've just watched Season 2 over the past week. I'll be among those people to say that I just don't get it. Yeah, I understand the gist is fixing the timeline, but over the course of the six episodes I really couldn't pick up exactly how they were hoping to do it. Spoiler The dialogue included all technical mumbo jumbo that of course wasn't even real to begin with. And the last few episodes featured obvious Groundhog Day-like scenarios as Loki attempted to get things right. The ending seemed somewhat like a symbolic metaphor; Loki takes the strands of time and fixes them in his own image. I guess that leads into the multiverse situations that will be explored in the next phase of the MCU.
I really liked season 2, and it's probably the best of the MCU Disney Plus era of shows so far. I loved the ending.
Originally it was via fixing/expanding the Loom. When that fails, it seems the options are what HWR lays out- that everything leads back to him (and the TVA and pruning timelines full of people) or the end of everything. Loki is ultimately about sacrificing himself to give everyone a chance to break that cycle, even if it risks the end of everything. And preserving the multiverse in the process.
If you say so. I'm just glad it was only six episodes because if I was already confused through six, I can't imagine how much more I'd have been if it went through to ten or more.
Loki has been given the powers of HWR, but has opted to become the replacement for the Loom, instead of using a machine to do so. Meaning that he is holding the Multiverse together and has chosen to make it a tree like how Thor explained to Jane about how the Nine Realms existed.
The TVA is outside space and time so it could be Loki was always shaping the universe like a tree and that's how the Asgardians understood the Nine Realms
1. Is there any practical consequence at all to him having shaped it as a tree? 2. If He Who Remains also knows time-slipping (having given Loki the power), is there anything to prevent him from going back in time to stop Loki once he realized Loki had figured out a way to operate without the Loom?
Nope. It's just a stylistic choice that allows the timeline to branch out. It was too late. HWR couldn't see every choice once Sylvie chose to kill him. He saw that Loki would make a choice, but not that one. He saw him trying to and failing to save the Loom. He saw him in his place, but not how he got there or what he was doing.
It's taking place at the end of time, which is technically not a timeline (you see it sitting outside of the Sacred timeline). He could only see what he had observed until that point. After that nothing was written down for him to know about in advance. And after that he's either dead (multiverse!), cycled back into existence at the start of his journey (multiverse into Sacred Timeline), or replaced (with only the Sacred Timeline).
i am curious about how the TVA would have reacted to the multiverse events in No Way Home would be considered a "variant" in the Sacred Timeline or something like that.
By the time of NWH, the second season of "Loki" was underway. Once HWR dies and the Multiverse returns, that's when the Multiverse stories begin happening.
How was Sandy able to sling ring out of the trash heap/Void into Earth-10005? I know sling rings are powerful but I don't think they can jump universes, is it because the Void is a catch all location for everything in the Multiverse, at the end of time as well? Or Casandra Nova as a Omega Level Mutant can do that (or how did the Deadpool Corps Marvel Sparkle Circle over anyway if she was busy underground? Probably a member of the Corps did it, definitely not Nicepool)
Sling rings can travel universes. This was mentioned previously in DS. MORDO: "It allows us to travel throughout the Multiverse. All you have to do is focus. Visualize. See the destination in your mind. Look beyond the world in front of you." We see Ghost Rider do this, minus the ring, at the end of season four of AOS.
But it's actually more retroactive. Even if there are some memories, Kang and his variants now "never" rose to power. All those shenanigans existed outside of usual/actual time.
Victor Timely is not the original version. He's a variant. He Who Remains, Kang the Conquerer, Rama Tut, Immortus and the rest are all variants of each other. Changing HWR's history doesn't erase the others. That's why the TVA are hunting Immortus and the rest after getting confirmation that Kang was eliminated. The Sacred Timeline is the only timeline that still exists prior to IM1. The Multiverse War was fought by the timelines that have already existed. They were destroyed during the conflict. Think of the films and shows from February 5th, 1944 until May 26th, 1998. Those universes died. The Sacred Timeline was left, which was Victor Timely's own universe and he maintained it by allowing certain events to remain unchanged. I.E., the Time Heist. Loki and Sylvie making the choices that they made resulted in the timeline becoming unstable and his death was the full tipping point. While Loki was trying to fix the timeline, we see the effects of his death, all leading to Loki's decision to hold the Multiverse together. Afterwards, we see the Multiverse has stabilized.
Not Marvel Studios fault but there's now 2 "Void" locations (character?) In the MCU. They should stick with "trashheap" as the nickname for this one where the TVA sends its garbage
The Void is the same in both stories. We just see different locations which was hinted at in season one. The lighting and cloud coverage are the only differences, really. D&W just added humor with the Fox logo.
We talked about this before. We disagree. But I think I have a lot more evidence, or else how do we get characters like Deadpool, Fox-verse Wolverine, Sony's first Spider-Men, etc.? It's retroactive.
Because the Multiverse evolved beyond just branching timelines and into full universes, just like in the comics. We went from this... To this. HWR said that the Multiverse existed, his variants met and then went to war. He created the TVA and weaponized Alioth in order to prune the timelines, while the Loom stabilized the Sacred Timeline. When the Loom fails, the Multiverse returned. Each universe went beyond branches and instead developed into distinct universes. Universes similar to the comics and ones like the live action iterations. "Loki" ends with a reference to hunting for Kang variants, while Victor Timely lives a normal life because he never obtained the book.
