Saga Why does Disney seem to shun the prequels for fear of fan reaction, but not the ST?.

Really good take on this subject....a generational saga indeed

 

Because the ST is a product created by them the hype for the ST like the announcement of the new Star Wars movie Starfighter seems like artificial hype to me they know that many fans dont like the ST but they dont care for them the ST is Canon because they created it and it will remain as Canon whether the fans accept it or not

 

Many fans hated the PT which is why the ST was initially welcomed because it wasn't that

 

No it was welcomed because its new Star Wars.

 

Well it was in my case as I liked the PT. But others were thankful it was back to what they thought Star wars was. I think if episode 8 or 9 was made now ghost Anakin would probably appear ..then it would have still upset the anti PT brigade

 

There was certainly ST hype for some fans that it could fix Star Wars. Many comedy shows mocked the Prequels like The Simpsons

 

You could say the man in my avatar was driven to alcoholism and despair because of the prequels

 

Nah the hype of the original cast being back ramped TFA up, it didn’t need some childish internet minority OT v PT war that you guys are trying to paint.

 

The childish war had been going on since ewoks and has sadly never stopped

 

it was a little bit of both,

for fans of the PT it was "more Star Wars yaaay"

for those that were disappointed with the PT it was "more Star Wars yaaay"

 

I'm a fan of Andor don't get me wrong, but season 2 brought another whiplash run back into the EU they say is not cannon with Cassian stealing the prototype of the TIE Avenger. Combine that with Luke's appearance in Mandalorian, Thrawn appearing in asohka, Yoda appearance in acolyte. And murals of Darth Revan on exocron in Rise of Skywalker, and everytime Disney struggles to connect to the fan base they reach back into the EU to give their films and shows legitimacy in the eyes of the fan base. They should just recannonize the EU and call it a day

 

To be honest I disagree. I found rays story much more compelling than either Adam's kylo. Or poe, I definitely couldn't comprehend the whole Finn thing. Rey kicks his butt and suddenly Finn, who wanted to run as far as he could to get away from the first order, volunteers to storm starkiller base to save this girl he barely knows but is totally obsessed with? WTAF??

 

For one I completely disagree with them being surprised by the hype. The hype was across the board because of the return of the original characters, its is an exciting thing that even affected people who are just normal movie fans. TFA was a highly anticipated event and thats generated by Disney/Lucasfilm bringing back the old characters. They knew what they were doing.

That reassurance about not experimenting like the PT is something aimed at everybody, not just older fans. And that reassurance was about trying to show that they were being more practical in the sets, location and the effects work. Why? Because thats the one takeaway of the PT that I think was a common complaint from movie going fans and people who aren't just older fans. Make something tangible on screen and it trumps something that looks too fake.

I get why they de-canonised it because it makes it easier going forward to not be beholden to all the EU stuff, it then gives them the opportunity to go and cherry pick what they want from it. The fact they came up with ST stories and characters that are arguably worse than the EU stuff they de-canonised is another issue.

 

They sure as heck aren't adding things to "show legitimacy in the eyes of the fan base", that's just a nonsensical take, one that also seems to think that the own personal opinion somehow stands for "what the fans think". It doesn't.

You'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who even knows what the TIE-Avenger is. The number of people whop know is negligible compared to the audience as a whole. It's a niche detail added for the fun of it, with no impact on the story whatsoever. That could have been any ship. No one watches Andor because of that.

Adding Darth Revan on a mural that hardly anyone notices is little more than an easter egg with no real relevance. And it's probably not even something those who shot the movie were particularly aware of. It's like saying they were counting on Star Wars fans to legitimise Indiana Jones because they had R2 and 3PO as small markings in Raiders of the lost Ark.

Counting Yoda as part of the EU could hardly be more of a reach.

Thrawn was brought back by Filoni, who had already considered bringing him back when working on The Clone Wars, way before Lucasfilm go sold to Disney, so this couldn't have less to do with "Disney" struggling with anything eiher.

Tiny details are added either as small easter eggs or as nods to older stories, it's artists having some fun, not a grand scheme by Disney. And characters appear because they can be used in that timeframe. Doesn't mean that they somehow carry the story, or that anyone is desperate for anything. There is no reason why you cannot use some part of non-canon material for new material. It's not like they using them in identical ways. So no, they shouldn't recanonize the old EU, because there is zero need for it.

 

Despite being an original 77 fan I had no knowledge of the EU til about twenty years ago..sw was always audiovisual media to me

 

I always found it funny the first sentence uttered in the ST was "this will begin to make things right"

in fact, I may have even let out an audible chuckle.

 

I let out an audible groan with "who talks first."

 

That reminded me of Han Solo type of lines

 

Lor San Tekka's lines just doesn't feel right to me. Like he's just shouting out random lines for our benefit and he's having a different conversation than Poe and Kylo are.

 

Yup. The banter of the orginal trilogy (which itself was a bit of a throwback) incorrectly sometimes gets attributed to marvel films....Spielberg and Lucas resurrected this kind of "hero chatter" back in the 70's and 80's. That's what Poes line is in the style of...

 

I always liked the ST banter in TFA and TLJ

 

Reminded me of a knockoff Han Solo at best. Timing and placement help with this kind of banter, and it didn’t work for me here given it was Kylo’s intro. Would’ve been like in ANH if one of the soldiers started making fun of Vader’s cape after he busts through the door.

 

Or like if Princess Leia mouthed off to him right off the bat...

 

Mouthing off isn’t a problem in itself, it’s more about when a quippy line becomes too corny or self referential that the gravity of the moment is lost for me.