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Saga Why does Disney seem to shun the prequels for fear of fan reaction, but not the ST?.

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Brer79, Apr 15, 2025.

  1. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    I dunno. Everyone has their preferences. For me it's not much different than, "Will someone please get this walking carpet out of my way."
     
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  2. Sarge

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    "I should have expected to find you holding Vader's leash." :cool:
     
  3. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    I don’t like that line either, although mostly because it makes Leia look really mean-spirited. Anyway, I stand by my initial opinion.
     
  4. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    Which is totally fine to like what you like and such...yet, I think all of these lines are inherently Star Wars.
     
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  5. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    That’s cool. Just wanted you to know you didn’t change my mind by sharing your opinion.
     
  6. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    One thing I did like better in the ST than the PT was the banter and a lot of the dialogue in general, except for the Kylo and Rey scenes where I cringed the entire time, worse than Anakin and Padme in the fireplace scene.

    I love Finn and Poe’s banter in every scene they are in. Luke being a smartass was also fantastic, and an improvement over some of his OT scenes.

    Leia was far better in the OT though. I love that she didn’t put up with incompetence. While it could be argued that she didn’t put up with it in the ST either, slapping Poe was stupid, and just plays into the hands of misogynists who point and say, ‘See! Feminism is about women wanting to beat up men!’ (spoiler alert: it’s not)
     
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  7. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    I forgot about Leia slapping Poe. Weird moment.
     
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  8. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    I feal like outside A New Hope, Leia dosent have her own Story in the OT. And the ST does more with Leia. They give meaning to her being the other Yoda spoke of
     
  9. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    Not my intention. Take care :)
     
  10. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Knight star 4

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    Its incredible how ROTS has done so well at the box office upon its return to theaters and Disney believed the Prequels werent profitable
     
  11. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Not just Disney but all media outlets and critics
     
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  12. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Force Ghost star 5

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    To me Princess Leia in SW is like how Marion Ravenwood is written in Raiders, strong willed, not scared to say something thats a bit of a put down or a quip. Maybe its a script writing tool for them to come off as equals to the male heroes, to appear confident and strong.

    Which to me is a totally different kind of writing to the humour we see in some of the sequel trilogy, like the Poe "So who talks first" line or the mother joke in TLJ. They seem like a much more modern, sitcom or Marvel joke written by committee kind of writing style, which to my way of thinking doesn't fit in SW. Maybe its an age thing and thats what modern audiences like. Who knows.
     
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  13. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    The humor in Star Wars (and Indiana Jones) has always been sardonic and quick-witted, dating back to the original trilogy. Leia's "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" and Han's constant sarcasm set this precedent early. The banter between characters was often sharp and situational - exactly like Poe's "who talks first" moment.

    What feels different isn't the style of humor but simply its application to new characters. When Han was sarcastic to Imperial officers, it was beloved. When Poe does essentially the same thing to Kylo Ren, it's suddenly labeled as "modern" or "Marvel-like" - despite Star Wars influencing Marvel's tone, not the other way around.

    The OT humor was itself a throwback to 1940s screwball comedies and adventure serials. Star Wars has always borrowed from earlier entertainment forms while updating them slightly for current audiences. The sequel trilogy follows this exact same pattern.
     
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  14. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Force Ghost star 5

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    No it’s very different to me. Nothing to do with who’s delivering the line either.
     
  15. TaliaJoy

    TaliaJoy Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I'm with AndyLGR; OT has a lot of sarcasm, humor and quips, and that's very important and part of what makes those films so lovable, but the ST doing it just feels different, and I'm pretty sure it's not just my bias. Unfortunately, it's hard to place or describe what the exact difference is, but it somehow feels like the OT is more in-universe and the ST is slightly aware of the real world outside of the movie.
     
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  16. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    For me earnestness is key. Leia’s foul stench line or Anakin jesting about Grievous’s height are kind of hokey but the moments are played straight in a classic adventure sense. Poe’s holding for Hux thing followed by a joke about his mom, much easier for me to see Iron Man doing that than Han Solo (and yes, I’m aware Marvel didn’t invent this style and that Han Solo/Indiana Jones influenced many writers of this more modern style).
     
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  17. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    I dunno. I don't see it.

    To me, this is every bit "meta" and nodding at the audience as Han's "... We're all fine here now. Thank you. How are you?" moment from ANH. When Solo comments, "Boring conversation anyway", he might as well look at the camera and wink at us. These movies were always a bit quippy and self aware.
     
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  18. ezekiel22x

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    Another good example of the difference in quip style for me. Han literally cringes after “how are you?”, realizing it wasn’t going to help maintain cover. There’s still an earnest gravity there I don’t get from many ST exchanges.​
     
  19. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    And there's some genuine panic in his voice when he shouts "Luke! We're gonna have company!" immediately afterward.
     
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  20. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    Again, I don't know what to tell you. Some of that might be delivery/acting. There's not many better than Harrison Ford at making Star Wars sound/feel real and authentic.

    Also, we experience things through our own perspectives as well. Personally, I perfer this kind of SW banter to whatever the romance dialog in AOTC, or ROTS was trying to do.
     
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  21. ezekiel22x

    ezekiel22x Chosen One star 5

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    You don’t have to tell me anything, you could simply accept my opinion.
     
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  22. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I think Jamiestarr is under the assumption he is posting in the 'change my mind thread' ;) :p

    Edit:

    in answer to the original question, they don't...at least not anymore. If they did, getting Hayden back in not one, but two different SW productions wouldn't have happened.
     
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  23. jaimestarr

    jaimestarr Force Ghost star 4

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    I certainly respect your opinion and your right to it. Cool?

    I am stating things as I see them aka my opinion. :cool: Naturally people are free to think, feel, and pontificate on whatever they want, however they want. I don't come here to change minds....just to express what's on mine.
     
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  24. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    I think each trilogy has their own vibe of comedy. Prequels had har jar and 3CPO, OT had the droids, ewoks and Yoda. Sequels had Poe comedy, Porgs and 3CPO
     
  25. Darth Dnej

    Darth Dnej Jedi Master star 4

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    Because the ST is the biggest SW project from Disney-owned Lucasfilm and it's tough for them to admit to some of the mixed response.
    A lot of prequel stuff has made its way into the Disney canon, but I feel like that's mostly because of the popularity of TCW which had most of its story written before Disney bought Lucasfilm.