Saga Here is my unorthodox Star Wars opinion: change my mind!

I was able to understand the Prequels just fine before discovering that TCW even existed.

 

And you should never need supplementary material to be able to understand or enjoy a film.

 

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Andor is a good show but i find the opinions of some fans who say that it is the best Star Wars has done since ESB has exaggerated perhaps in terms of Live Action for everything Disney has done recently then yes but there are much better stories than Andor in the EU also i doubt very much that something like Andor will be replicated again at least in a short time the Disney Star Wars style is not to my liking in general

 

I ran out of breath just reading that

 

Honestly, I believe that The Clone Wars is the best show in which Filoni has been involved. After The Clone Wars, all the other animated shows in which he has been directly involved have been mediocre, at best. And when I talk about The Clone Wars, I am referring to seasons 1 through 6. I am not counting the seventh season.

 

I just want to remind that Filoni hadn't written a single script on the original run of TCW. He wrote story outlines for the first half of Season 1 with Henry Gilroy, which were then vetted and edited by George Lucas, which were then turned into scripts by episodic screenwriters and vetted by Lucas again, and then Lucas got even more heavily involved, and all the stories came directly from him from that point onward. Not that I am seeking to diminish Filoni or anything, but it feels like sometimes he gets way too much credit for the things he actually didn't do. Mandalore in particular was all George - from start to finish. He created that world and culture for the animated series. You could clearly see his anthropological and historical mind at work there. Filoni's job was to bring it to life and run day-to-day production tasks, and deliver on schedule and budget. I maintain the opinion that Filoni is a competent soldier, he is capable of efficiently running the production and deliver. Which is what a supervising director is. He was at his best when he was working under a strong creative, George Lucas, bringing his stories and ideas to life, with a room of screenwriters to assist. I don't think he is a capable creative himself. He is very formulaic, he is very sentimental and attached to certain things at the expense of the story and themes, he relies way too much on nostalgia, he loves pandering to the fans too much (since he is a fanboy himself), his personal tastes creep into his works to the point that it becomes cringeworthy. All the problems that can be traced from Rebels to Ahsoka. And he is not a very good screenwriter. Which is not surprising, since he hadn't written that many scripts before, none with the exception of additional dialogue on a few TCW episodes, and a dozen or so Rebels episodes. George Lucas - the creator of The Clone Wars show and its only executive producer - all the episodic screenwriters and head writers, deserve a lot more credit which, sadly, they rarely receive, since the fans only know of Filoni and never bother looking into behind-the-scenes material. I respect his genuine passion for the IP and the ability to manage these gigantic productions, but yeah. I don't think he's really a visionary. And Star Wars is in desperate need of one.

 

But I thought Dave Filoni was the 2nd coming of Jesus according to the fandom...

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I completely agree. In fact, whenever I see people criticizing The Clone Wars and blaming Filoni for all the retcons made by the series to the Expanded Universe, I always point out that, in reality, many of those ideas actually came from George himself. So if someone truly wants to criticize The Clone Wars — which is, of course, entirely valid, as everyone has their own personal preferences and is perfectly entitled to prefer the EU version of the Clone Wars — then they should direct their criticism towards George, not Filoni.

A lot of people have become far more critical of him in the last few years (fortunately).

 

Why not both?

 

Yeah, I have no problems with the guy myself I just don't understand the near fanatical devotion others have for him..

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no, that's Tony Gilroy now....

Not only has he saved Star Wars from the abyss, he "GETS IT" more than Lucas himself does...

all the while, he is probably laughing at how crazy fandom can actually be.

 

Andor kind of reminds me of Ewoks: The Battle for Endor.

 

Now that is a classic holiday movie.

 

How does one Get Star Wars?

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you do know I was not actually thinking Tony Gilroy is the saviour of SW right...?


at least @Sarge appreciates my sarcasm

 

I call it Sargecasm.

 

Personally, I believe that they should have the courage to touch the Old Republic, either with a series of films or with a TV show. As long as the stories are well-written and the characters are relatable, I think that fans would not despise them, even if they are not an exact copy and are not faithful to the original Old Republic stories.

 

"Crazy Fandom". This post is some more proof of that.

 

As a fan who is not a gamer or EU reader I'm fascinated by the old republic times..why I'm so excited for the mangold film. I think we need to go back in time to what I've heard of mandalorian wars, the original wars of jedi v sith will make what happens later more impactful especially when watching the saga in chronological order

 

You think Gilroy is the saviour of Star Wars?

 

He has tapped into a Flavour of star wars that was always in the background. It's so evocative of a new hope in aesthetics but tells the story as if the audience are at university whereas early star wars, was, as George said for 12 year olds

 

Me? If you look carefully, I was the one who questioned that statement. I was being sarcastic. Sorry if it was misunderstood. My point is: how can someone "get" SW better than its original creator? No matter what you may think of Lucas, or the way he continued his story, it still IS his story. It's like saying so and so got LOTR better than Tolkien.