ST Star Wars and 2015 SDCC

Just goes to show that 'fans' will never be happy or satisfied when what they get is a little bit different than what they think they want (or deserve).. These are the same type of people who order a cheeseburger, and then complain that they wanted swiss and got cheddar. Don't pay them any mind. They'll go away eventually.

 

Where to even begin?
Whats next? Kathy Kennedy is the Devil and JJ is her son Damian i guess.

 

honestly this thread should find early retirement.

 

Indeed, Sterling. I find this trend disingenuous and disturbing myself.

 

Im like Pro Scoundrel..i went to bed thinking wow..i love that BTS stuff....loved it ever since i read making of empire back in the 80's. I prefer those to trailers but i immensely like trailers too!
I think the story is probably on par with Iron Man/Gaurdians of Galalxy/Mad Max - great fun movies with popcorn. 300 was like that and it was all the rage for its brief run and no one even cares today. Most storys that are any good are more personal in nature and Empire was, i thought, a personal film. While ANH was an adventure film, like a Sinbad movie. I think they are starting off with a more of a middle film approach and not explaining everything away with a lot of complicated story lines.

Unfortunately only a 7-8 year old that hadnt really seen star wars is going to be the honest true gauge of this film. There were no "old" people watching this movie when i was a kid. So the story itself is going to be "pretty good" but it was the characters you bonded with. The bonding with the new characters will help move the films forward. With that in mind, movies like Safety Not Guaranteed, Grand Torino, or whatever film you like stick with you for a long time because the premise and storys are well told with actors who played them as good as you can possibly get.... Princess Bride is a perfect example of that...its kinda cheese but the pace is perfect. Great movies with not so great storys like 300 you just remember kicking the guy down the hole and facing an army too big for you but not the story itself. (i remember it but im just trying to make a point.). What makes this difficult is that we ALREADY have an emotional connection to the legacy characters we can only see this film in one way, we have fan blinders and theres no way around it. I honestly dont think any of us are qualified to honestly judge the films because of our zealotsic* view towards our beloved sagas. The point of all this is we are trusting Larry K to write the GOOD STORY....what we need is the actors to have been casted perfectly and play their roles well. If both hold true...no one is gonna care about the special FX...

If you ask me...the panel should have talked more about how the story was just great....but that could be taken as over compensating. They cant win no matter what they present...theres a pack of wild rabid fan hyenas ready to dissect and shred the news at hand. The one thing about those behind the scenes is they look way better than any HD we had before...unless some chroma work or tinting is done..its already next gen...Im just gonna go along for the ride.




*fake word.

 

People have a problem with Kathleen Kennedy?!? They're lucky to have her if anything.

 

Wow.

The negativity here has plummeted to new depths.

Conspiracy theorists have nothing on some of the posters here.

KK who was HAND PICKED by Lucas is secretly slapping Lucas in the face? Somebody she's been friends with for three decades? Yeesh.

Now, KK may well feel that they want to do things their way, as is her right as I dunno THE PRESIDENT OF LUCASFILM but that hardly constitutes of betraying Lucas.

Put it this way, when Frank Miller COMPLETELY reinvented Daredevil was that a slap in the face to Stan Lee and Bill Everett?

Of course not.


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People, people....its quite simple. Harrison took the cast photo himself....thats what a nice guy he is.


(Sorry for double post...i forgot i was in the same thread)

 

I totally agree. Besides being extremely petty, it's an invalid, empty argument. A film is visual storytelling. First and foremost, the story needs to interest you, and you have to genuinely care about the characters within it.The universe in which it takes place is secondary to those basics. But this is fantasy after all, so the universe needs to be expertly realised of course so as to compliment the story.

 

I am striving very hard to respect creators and their creations these days, even if I do not like the person or the product / talent. Without them, I would not have a positive outlet / escape from real life.

These days when threads get cranky, I either joke about it and split, or I'll ignore those posts.

As far as folks being insensitive, that's sadly par for the course on any fan based forum. Regarding the OT cast, I believe their enthusiasm comes from a place beyond financial and working obligations. Mark proved that to me a long time ago. All I care about is having a good time with their characters again.

 

I've thought, right from October 2012, that doing a ST after ROTJ's ending was so perfect, was a terrible idea. So for me it has a HUGE amount to live up to, to make tearing up the ending I know so well, worth while.

I'm in two minds whether to bother with TFA at all. I'm not warming to the people making the film or the (so far) awful marketing. I think the whole concept of a Sequal Trilogy is a pointless exercise...

However, I DO like Rian Johnson and I'm intrigued to see what he can do with Star Wars...

Episode VIII is the only thing holding my interest at the moment but is that enough?

Hmmmmmm...

 

I don't think the universe a story is set in is secondary to anything. One aspect hardly interests all storytellers or viewers the same way or degree. When I watch something it is quite often for a man casted, then the characters but as a writer, setting is very much part of the story. We're all different.

 

I think you're right. I wouldn't ever like to piss of OT fans who simply don't like the PT. At the same time, I have to admit that a part of me will enjoy it if the GL-haters, the ones who say he's money-grubbing talentless scumbag, the people who have kept attacking the PT for the last 16 years are disappointed with TFA.

It's somewhat hard for me because I don't like the Disney corporation (for a number of reasons), JJ rubs me the wrong way and I don't like his previous work that much, and I don't like how they're marketing TFA. I've even wondered if it will bias me against TFA, though I'm pretty sure it won't. I really don't like James Cameron as a person, and I still thought Avatar was pretty good and visually incredible, and I still think T2 and Aliens are very good films.

So, I do hope TFA is a success, and if it's good, I think I'll see it for what it is, but I'll admit that I think I'll feel a little schadenfreude if the rabid GL-haters, constant PT-bashers end up disappointed, most especially Stoklasa from RLM. I'd really enjoy seeing him eat some crow.

 

I hope people realize that us, the spoiler crowd is not who the marketing is designed for. We cheat by looking for info that most people rather not know going into a movie. We got two awesome trailers and behind the scenes video and a magazine article that is not bad IMO. This fear people see or nervousness is there own nervousness. Terminator Genesys is the blue print of a nervous/fearful marketing. If they though TFA was not good they would not hold back advertising they would pour it on. They would give away spoilers in trailers. Spoilers would leak out more because the people working on the film don't care about it. I feel the nervousness is natural because they want to please us so we go see TFA over and over. The nervousness is not OMG this sucks!! Luke Fail!! Finn Fail!! No matter how negative you feel that is you and not JJ and his team. I think there has been way more positive on display than negative but there is always some set backs whenever you try to reach greatness.

 

I'm not understanding the Driver hate. Out of all the cast, he's given us the most insight into his character's motivation, philosophy and direction. With just one quote about how he and JJ approached Kylo as someone who believes he is right, as opposed to being a self-aware evil type. Just because he is clearly an introvert doesn't mean he should have stayed home. He seems generally invested, IMO.

 

Lol.

This thread has gotten so ****ing depressing.

 

Hamill said more than once in interviews that he was disappointed with how his career went compared with Ford's. He basically said: "I was the hero of Star Wars, and it's Harrison who's ended up being a Hollywood legend, not me." Those aren't the exact words, but those were the gist of them.

 

I don't think that post was Driver hate.

 

It sounds as though both of your 'two minds' are made up already, without having seen the finished film.
You can not hold on to what is past, and you can not control the future. Hasn't Star Wars taught you anything?

 

To the haters - you can't talk much about story because it would ruin the story!

Fifteen minutes of "The story is great" wouldn't be very compelling.

 

Come on

 

That's fine, but honestly, I don't think the ST will be for you.

My feeling is that the OT as-is was complete, BUT once the PT was added the saga now (ironically) feels less complete. The PT raised a lot of questions about the failings of the Jedi that the OT just doesn't address. The task of the ST as I see it, is to give humanity back to the Jedi.

And that'll go someway to redeeming the PT, IMHO, by giving it a reason to exist: thesis, antithesis, synthesis.

 

I'm not into quoting Rodney King ( for those of you who get the reference ) but

"Why can't we all just get along?"

Seriously though, we are all fans of that GFFA. There are flaws to be found in all six previous films. Clunky dialogue, stiff acting, obvious miniature work. People often wax nostalgic about things, and have a hard time admitting something might have been done differently. This is true of fans of both the OT and PT. For instance there are some who cried foul when George when back and made changes via the special editions. An example for me that stands out are the Cloud City sequences in ESB.

While I appreciate the beauty of the original matte paintings of the city, there is no question, in my mind at least, the that those CGI expansions gave the city more depth and life. Speaking of matte paintings, those were kind of like 1970s CGI. Used when a set for background would have been impractical or quite frankly impossible to build. I don't recall anyone saying, "hey they use to many matte paintings in this film it just doesn't feel real."

I'm a child of the OT era, and attribute my love of the GFFA to those films for capturing my imagination. That said, I can view them now as an adult and chuckle when hokey dialogue occurs or realize how miniature work doesn't always hold up. I also enjoy and appreciate the prequels for taking me back to that place in my childhood, and fleshing out characters that I loved growing up, clunky dialogue and green screen a-rama notwithstanding.

At the end of the day it's all make believe and made for people to enjoy.

 

Exactly it was not Driver hate, I only wrote down my impression about the actors who appeared in this panel and Driver just made not such a good impression. I also found Ridley a little arrogant compared to Boyega who was very sympathetic. This is just how I saw this panel, nothing more.

 

But the truth is, it's only wearing thin for hardcore Star Wars fans. For casuals, they just heard that Han Solo and Chewie would be back with the release of teaser 2. And now they got a look at Leia and the cockpit of the Falcon. Before that, with teaser 1, they got primarily brand new stuff, with Boyega, BB-8, Kylo Ren and the crossguard saber. And just a teeny glimpse of the Falcon. That's it! So for most people, the nostalgic part of the marketing literally just started and is not wearing thin. They haven't even seen Luke yet, as far as they know.

I think it will go in phases. Teaser 1 was mostly new with a hint of old. Teaser 2 was similar, but leaning towards the nostalgia. And the BTS reel leaned in hard on nostalgia. With the first full trailer, we're going to get the full identity of the film, which is a continuation of the OT, but with vibrant new characters and conflicts. That will start to burn in early September.

Of course, as we watch this stuff constantly, we start to get a little bored. But as far as I can tell, they're getting general audiences pretty excited about this.