ST The Romantic Future of Kylo Ren and Rey

Mana You're probably right! | Besides, your answer reminded me of this observation I've seen on tumblr:

Kylo Ren’s natural state is rage. 24/7 throwing tantrums, being violent, not caring about anything or anyone. Rey’s natural state is calm, peaceful, ready to fight if needed but caring about the others. Only when Rey is near, Kylo Ren is calm. His actions are calm, relaxed. Ready to fight too, but still calm and controlled. Only when Kylo Ren is near Rey, she loses her cool and becomes passional, full of rage, instinctive and irrational.

 

FrolickingFizzgig Kylo should have no problem communicating with Rey despite distance. He communicated with Leia when he killed Han. She felt his "God, what have I done?" moment. So assuming that Force Bond is canon not just out headcanon, he should be able to feel her to an extent and she should be able to feel him. He's a powerful emotional FS who can feel non-FS's such as Han, maybe only when he's emotionally invested in them, but still.

Mana Kylo calmed from her calm while Rey got powered on his rage. It's like as if they swap emotions or take them from each other. He was also visibly weaker, barely standing on his feet, but that may be due to excessive loss of blood.

 

I wasn't necessarily talking about communication, but the communication of abilities that we were shown in their final battle in Episode VII. I don't think Rey will be able to use any of them herself permanently until she actually learns them through her own training. Feeding on his powers gave her what she needed to defeat him when he was in a weakened emotional and physical state, but it was practically a fluke. She got lucky. I really wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't able to use the Mind Tricks, the Force Pull, the saber skills, etc. until she trains. Ren will also be training by that point, so it's interesting to consider the implications there. I'm sure they'll both be unconsciously impacted by the opposing sides of the Force. As Ren trains in the Dark Side, Rey will be able to feel it, and as Rey trains in the Light, so to will Ren's pull to the Light be even further heightened.

 

I Like it as well because it wouldn't be fair if Kylo got ALL the credit for Rey's powerful force abilities ..but at the same time, being a woman myself and wanting to see a strong female character, an overpowered female character just for the sake of being strong is lazy writing...

 

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So with all this symbolism I wondered what you guys think of this image? Looks like a balance of both light and dark, especially the eyes and the coloring of the stars behind her....

 

The way I see it, either the Force Bond is real, or the writers are idiots. There's no in-between. As Rey is escaping the chair Han quite literally says: "That's not how the Force works."

 

I agree 100% with this. It's great evidence for the sharing of emotions and feelings part of a Force Bond.

 

I'll be horribly disappointed and probably throw popcorn on the screen and such if we don't see training, especially Kylo's cause we've never seen DS training before. Anakin was a Jedi and Palp just said "embrace the DS, kill Dooku" and that was it. No special training, just telling a Jedi that he's free to experience big emotions and not to hold back. Screw that.

But I have a bad feeling that they'll cop out and do "3 months later" where it's announced that both completed their training, in order to have Rey join Finn and Poe ASAP. Yeah, boo.

 

yes!!! they're basically channeling each others emotions!!! I hope the force bond theory is true...I really hope so....It explains everything

 

Seriously though, Han's "That's not of the Force works" was basically begging us to question Rey's Jedi Goddess plot-powers, yet almost nobody did. Everybody was just like "Oh, it's for the plot. That's weird, but whatever. Moves on with life/argues about whether Rey is a Skywalker/Kenobi/Solo/Hutt/Palpatine." Their connection becomes so obvious, even if one doesn't realize all the evidence. I'm sure lots of people noticed the weird energy between them, but to think that it's probably as literal as it seems is pretty fascinating. It's the perfect plot-twist. I'll be so irritated if the Force Bond isn't real, honestly. They would have unintentionally written one of the greatest hero-villain twists in the history of film. Of course, there's a reason I'm so confident it is real...

I find it funny that all the other wacko theories served as a huge red-herring for this amazing one.

 

I encounter the village versus the interrogation interpretation frequently--the morality question of the former and the overtones of the latter, to which I have explained neither is an attempt to undermine Kylo's redemption or a means to create some legitimacy for shipping Rey with Finn. I'd like to dial down the rhetoric so we can have meaningful discussions instead of thinly-veiled accusations. And I agree with you, we have had respectful exchanges.

 

The way I saw was that Kylo has the knowledge. The force bond would allow Rey to look at it, maybe like a book. Her own intuition and confidence allows her to execute the abilities.

 

Exactly. It means that, if she were trained, Kylo would also have taken some of her abilities but since she wasn't we tend to think that she "downloaded" them...

 

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The only way I can see they give up Force Bond is because fans talk about it so much. It's like when everyone was talking about Wormtail's silver hand and that he would use it to kill Grayback cause silver kills werewolves. And JKR came up with a really lame twist (hand strangles Wormtail) because she thought she couldn't use fan theory (threat of plagiarism).

But then, they would have to give up Rey Skywalker, etc cause people talk about that too. Oh my head is spinning.

 

I would be shocked if they skipped over the training, especially if the Force Bond is as logical and real as it seems to be. Training would be the perfect time to highlight the Force Bond, introduce it and begin to deal with whatever ramifications it has on Rey and Ren. Forming a Force Bond with Rey essentially gave Ren the edge he needed to finally stop trying to suppress the pull to the Light. It's going to be stronger than ever, especially with him "feeding" on her Light Side training. They'll both be able to reach a level of "BALANCE" as they explore opposing sides of the Force, both literally and through each other.

 

It's not a fan theory though. It has roots from the EU, which LF is allowed to draw from.

 

The script is already written and filming has already begun. What are they going to do, scrap what will potentially be the biggest money-maker of a movie just because a few people on the internet talked about their super awesome plot-twist? I'm sure they'll be changing how it works anyway in order to reintroduce it, which means we're all still talking hypothetical. We're still basing our logic on EU content/a bit of Clone Wars content. What I'm positive about so far with regards to the "new" definition of a Force Bond: it gives those under its influence the power to feed on and share each others' abilities, thoughts and emotions. We have proof of all three in post-interrogation Ren and Rey. Everything else is currently up in the air.

 

Most people are already so absorbed in Rey's parentage theories that any kind of intimate connection between Kylo and Rey (force bond or not, romantic or not) would catch them off guard anyway...because they never assumed such a connection, so far, some people believe that Rey and Kylo only share a typical Villain/hero dynamic...and its only a minority of fans who discuss the force bond theory in such detail....

 

Well, MakingStarWars said in June 2015 that interrogation was going to have major ramifications for Episode VIII and even though nobody saw the movie, the site went into shipper mode with "it would be interesting if they were not related". So they got hold of the script or heard the word or saw concept art. Or something. They are reliable and pieced together very correct synopsis for TFA. Also way before the movie came out. I'm surprised that Dsiney never took it down.

 

It's going to come as a huge surprise to most people, casual fans especially. I guess it'll be the thing that finally gets everybody to realize that our writers are very competent, and that we're not getting two movies filled with static characters, a predictable good vs. evil plot, FinnRey fluff and Kylo Ren beatdowns.

 

Gotta go cause I'm in the Internet cafe due to major home Internet disaster. I'm gonna get some mental scars from catching Thor Dark World at 8 pm. Awful movie but I have a strange desire to see Loki.

But anyway, all those people who want our Princess to be one dimensional and ridiculous like Malekith in Thor 2 or Zod in Man of Steel or other interchangable Marvel villain. Ugh. Just stop.

styroglue yeha, they rehabilitated Thrawn so they can use Force Bond too. I mean, they'll have to go back to some EU stuff cause there's just too many. They'd limit themselves if they dicard it completely.

 

I was looking in some other threads, and it seems like everyone expects Rey and Finn to team up and destroy Kylo Ren. I know I keep bringing up Transformers, but seriously I think some people are confusing Star Wars with it....people are completely disregarding this amazing thing called character development....

 

THANK YOU. It's not just what people seem to expect, it's what they want. Maybe immersing myself in great entertainment has warped my mind, but doesn't anybody have a desire to experience a real, relatable villain with a tragic childhood, very human struggles, inner-conflict and a snarky sense of humour all wrapped up into a beautiful redemption story? That sounds beyond incredible to me, yet everybody's too busy whining about how he committed war-related crimes and threw our hero into a tree. He's still a villain. He had to be characterized that way in order for his story to have full emotional impact. This trilogy has the potential to be something truly special, something that pushes storytelling boundaries, something worthy of the Star Wars title.

 

Hasta la vista, vaderito. By the way, I thought your essay/TFA review was fab, especially the part about Kylo's resisting the call to join the Chosen Three and remaining a Lost Soul for now. Beautiful analysis.

My favorite thread in this entire site is the themes and symbolism thread in the TFA forums, which you can find here. I'm sure they'd love to read your essay so you might think of sharing it there.