Full Series Official Star Wars Rebels Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

In addition, you gotta keep in mind that the phrase "Dark Times" was used only once by and old hermit who had everyone he knew and loved wiped out in one day about 20 years ago. Thus, I can't help but feel his opinion was at least slightly biased. How much would he have even known of the current state of imperial oppression? He'd been stuck on Tatooine all that time.

None of the main characters really died off in TCW either. Sure, most of them were from the films and thus protected, but Ahsoka, Barriss, Ventress, Rex, etc could have been taken out and weren't. Heck, they even brought back a dead character (Maul). Rebels, on the other hand, has a very small core cast compared to TCW (and unlike TCW, it doesn't have thousands of expendable clones to act as battle fodder). If the writers kill off main characters too quickly, they're basically shooting themselves in the foot. Now that we've hashed through two seasons and we've gotten to know all the characters pretty well, I'm sure we'll end up losing one or two.

Honestly though, while I do share the hope that the show will take on a more serious tone, I'm tired of people's main complaint being the show's inability to satisfy their own bloodlust or whatever. I mean, while the show is intended to be enjoyed by people of any age, we gotta all remember that at it's heart it's meant for kids. So, for those hoping against hope that one day Rebels will suddenly become GoT or something... it ain't happening (thank goodness).

 

Just to be that guy, Ventress did die, although those episodes only made it to script form.

 

Well said. Do people really think for something to be "dark" it means death, death, and more death?

 

CoughESBcough. Precisely NO main/major characters die in that film, and yet it's considered to be the darkest of the OT by most people. Also none of the main heroes die in the OT in-general (well unless you count Obi Wan).

 

True, but for sake of argument that episode, had it been made, would have taken place in the 7th (?) season of TCW, which fortifies my killing-off-a-character-too-soon argument. She had a much longer run than any of the main Rebels characters have yet.

Quite true. In fact, one could actually argue that Rebels is already darker than the OT when it comes to violence, as none of the original movies featured decapitations, implies or otherwise...

 

So I recently finished rewatching S2 to get me more hyped for Season 3. I really only watched most of this season's episodes once, so it was nice to see the season as a whole. I have to say this season had some really great episodes and moments in it. Aside from the amazing Shroud of Darkness and two part finale, I think one of my favorites had to be The Honorable Ones. Lovely Character moments with Zeb and Kallus. Also some other great ones for me where A Princess on Lothal (Leia was great in this one) and Homecoming with Hera and Cham. Even Chopper's episode was nice and gave me some laughs. Also rewatching the ending of the finale really did make me tear up. Poor Kanan

Hurry up Season 3!!

 

Would you say you enjoyed Season 2 more on reviewing and watching it in one big chunk then as a week to week thing?

 

I think it did add a bit more to my enjoyment. Especially this season since it was mostly single episodes. The two main plots of Vader and Ahsoka and the rebels finding a base seemed a bit easier to remember and follow. Plus binge watching is always fun!

 

Let me be more specific when it comes to wanting certain characters to die. I don't care if the non-force user Rebels survive this show. Im not just a big fan of having none of the 3 Jedi that have been shown bite the dust. We are getting closer and closer to ANH, with Tarkins line that implies the Empire isn't facing Jedi opposition anymore.

I see no reason why they decided to keep Ahsoka alive instead of killing her off via Vader. Regardless of my talk on wanting certain jedi to face death, I am a fan of her character. But it just screams fan service when she is still alive at this point. Same goes for Maul. I though bringing Maul back was a bad idea, and while I enjoyed his TCW content, keeping him alive close to ANH....also feels like fan service.

They bring in TCW characters to increase popularity of the show while not removing said problematic force users.

And yes the "dark times" is not a reference to dying in general and instead Imperial oppression, however the whole "Vader hunts down the remains of the Jedi Order" is a theme of this era, so not seeing Vader kill a single Jedi is a downer in Rebels. He may not even appear in season 3.

It is my hope that either Kanan or Ezra are given an ending in season 3. Season 4 can deal with the solo Jedi.

 

I would really like it if one of the movie or EU characters becomes a main character on Rebels. The crew of the Ghost has been stale since Season 1 IMO

 

Spoiler

Well, Freddie Prinze Jr. confirmed he was recording a scene with Tiya Sircar in Season 4, episode 2 in an interview.



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Two seasons doesn't mean anything to me. If Darth Vader is in one episode, someone's head needs to roll (no pun intended). Period.

 

That's your opinion, but I don't think the production team thinks along those lines.

 

This show isn't the Walking Dead, which seems to solely exist to keep people on the edge of their seats on who will die next. There were also a number of other TV shows last season which used character deaths as a cheap thrill, and fell flat on their faces.

 

Am thinking back to Star Wars Galaxies, 2003 or so, Death Watch was a very much OT era organization with a bunker on Endor.

 

Why are people so obsessed with death? Like seriously someone doesn't need to die to make a show good. I mean I can kind of understand it with a show like the walking dead, but this show? Come on guys, Star Wars doesn't need to be "dark" to be good, it's always been light hearted and fun.

 

Rebels would be boring, if it was nothing but a bloodbath.

 

He talks about Rebels season 3 in the first part then discuss the characters of RO and end up with a Q&A.

 

Well its not always light hearted. Death has played its role many times in Star Wars. In ANH we learn the Jedi order was wiped out and Luke's father "murdered". Deaths of alderaan, obiwan, Luke's aunt and uncle play an importent role. Many other examples of seeing death and its impact in other films. Add this to the fact that the Rebels are fighting a GALACTIC empire ruled by two powerful Sith, rebel deaths are expected and realistic. There is also the unfortunate fact that Jedi who tried to oppose the Empire in the dark times era often were killed. So this is why there should be more good guy deaths in Rebels. It can still happen while being a kid show if it's done in a Non graphic manner. So far only redshirtes have died, but as star was has shown us before, sometimes important people die in the name of doing right.

 

You're forgetting Ezra losing his parents, that was pretty big. Besides Rebels has had plenty of dark moments. Like when Aresko and Grint were beheaded, the Inquisitors suicide, Tarkin town's destruction, when the whales ate that guy in "The Call", and the entire season 2 finale to name a few. I guess for some people it's never dark enough until it crosses the line.

Likes seriously what is dark enough for you? A main character being killed off and wasted? There's so much for them to do with these characters killing them off would be such a waste.

 

You seem to think that if a rebel crewkilled off it would be a waste. However it depends on how it is done.

 

I get that sometimes character deaths lead to great changes in the characters that remain, spur them onto their quests, etc. Obi-wan in ANH being the classic example. But, I'm struggling with whose death on the crew would serve such a purpose now. I don't think Zeb's death would be motivating; they'd be sad, yeah, and appreciate his heroics, but there isn't anything to do. His people are safe. Hera's death could spur them to commit fully to the Rebellion, except they already are. They all know the risks. If Ezra died, Kanan might quit being a Jedi again, question whether taking him from Lothal was such a good idea. But, he could still serve the rebellion with Hera, and find some comfort in making a difference that way. We're left with Sabine and Kanan, who at least make it out of the season. I don't think there's anything to be gained, narratively, by killing off a main character this season. The loss of secondary characters like Cham or Sato, or large-scale civilian tragedy, could suffice.

 

Yes, because all of the races and civilizations that were subjugated and enslaved by the Empire just weren't enough. I think it was pretty dark for almost everyone across the board except the Empire. The Jedi were just one of the many victims of Palpatine's rise to power.

In my opinion, if they didn't waste so much time, they could have had the series last until the Battle of Coruscant and afterwards. If that had occurred, both Maul and Ahsoka would have died. I think Ahsoka dying at the end of TCW would have been perfect. We didn't exactly see her kind of story on-screen. She annoyed me at first (and still does a bit), but I would have liked her character a lot more if she had perished during Order 66. Not when it is immediately enacted but during the Temple slaughter. Imagine if she had figured out what Anakin had done and had her life cut short just then? Better than having her character stick around until she meets Anakin as Vader only to have "kinda-sorta, wishy-washy", "ambiguous" death. It's ridiculous. That would have been incredibly effective. Same for Maul. OK, we all got the badass antics from Maul we wanted in the PT and frankly, he wasn't all that interesting in TCW so just have him killed off for Rebels. It should have been the same with Rex too. The only reason they brought any of these characters back was due to TCW's cancellation and that's it.

No one's asking for that. No. Very few, if any.

 

The name of this show haves Wars in it. Living things die in war. It's time this show had a "huge big death". Why they couldn't end Ahsoka 100% I don't know.

This is not bloodlust. This is practicality.

 

I figure they still have plans for her.