Rogue One Bor Gullet the mind reading octopus

Is there any canonical indication that Saw does not trust droids? Cause I feel the scene would have been better served by using a torture droid (like the one Vader used in ANH).

This would have better represented the fact that Saw had turned so extreme that his methods were now similar to the Empire.

 

I don't like this scene, same as Rathnars in TFA.

 

There should be really be more non humanoid Aliens in the new films.

 

Slash film gives Bor Gullet an honourable mention.

http://www.slashfilm.com/early-rogue-one-scripts/

"Chris Weitz Created Saw Gerrera’s Alien Interrogation Creature Bor Gullet
Bor Gullet, a telepathic cephalopod that Saw Gerrera uses to extract information from prisoners, was created by screenwriter Chris Weitz “as a way to get inside Jyn’s head.” He gives us a look at the original intention of the creature, revealing that the Bor Gullet is an “empath, he can understand exactly what you’re thinking, be he also feeds off emotion. He likes things like fear and sorrow and sadness. And joy, too.”

The alien was initially designed as an insect-like creature, but they decided to do with an octopod because “his tentacles could go around people’s necks and heads and into their ears.”

It’s unclear what the Bor Gullet’s original role was in the story, but in the finished film, it is limited to interrogating Bodhi Rook. From Weitz’s description, it feels like the creature originally had a different or extended purpose. Was Jyn interrogated by the creature?"

 

I liked the way that, ultimately, Cassian's treatment of Bhodi, who has been punished for conveying a message necessary to the survival of the Rebellion, begins to make amends for the killing of the informant near the start. It's self serving, of course. Because it leads Cassian to Galen who he intends to assassinate at this point.

He never does kill Jyn's father, though. And later, he steps up when Jyn conveys her message and the alliance doesn't want to hear it, meaning that the informant's death, Bhodi's ordeal, Galen's death and every grubby thing Cassian and others have had to do and endure will have been for nothing.

 

Little known fact..... the first draft of the Rogue One script featured enormous hordes of Bor Gullet on Jedha. There were extensive land and air battles, comprised mainly of Bor Gullet versus the Empire, before the Imperials were able to start pilfering the kyber crystals. The working title during pre-production was Bor Gully.

 

I would have paid for that.

 

Dozens of Bor Gullets slowly, slowly inch by inch sliding towards a squad of terrified Stormtroopers. They of course fire their blasters at the lumbering beasts, continually missing until the tentacles envelope them.

 

Some of the worst CGI. I have seen in years.

 

So .. how is Bor Gullets' extraction of thoughts from Bodhi's head (again more in the novel) different from Kylo's extraction of memories from Rey's?

Is Bor Gullet using the Force (being native to Jedha and surrounded by all those living Force amplifying Kyber crystals has to mean something) ...

 

The scene shows how paranoid Saw is at this point... and that paranoia alone is why Saw kept him in a cell even after finding out that Bodhi wasn't lying.

I assumed that yes Bor Gullet uses the force to read minds, because he's a creature of Jedha.

 

In the midst of their insanity, the storm troopers fled to the unknown regions, returning as The First Order.

 

Bor Gullet is scary as hell and shows how insane Saw has become.

This is what I wanted to see in Rogue One, different things.

 

Bor Gullet should not be confused with Bor Mullet.
Bor Gullet = bald
Bor Mullet = not bald

So, don't presume Bor Mullet is a flashback of younger Bor Gullet. Although, Bor Mullet just might be the alias of Bor Gullet while working covert operations. So mysterious, that Bor.

 

Hmmm, me thinks the presence of that Bor Gullet creature is homage to the infamous Paul The Octopus... Only difference is that while the former knows if a person is lying or not, the latter can predict soccer scores accurately... Still, both are soothsayers in a way, I must say!

 

Which is exactly what's so intriguing about it. The fandom too often demands answers to every question, and maligns all ambiguity and mystery - essential ingredients of good fantasy and sci-fi. Bor Gullet was great, and need not feed neatly into other plot points. Saw (Colonel Kurtz) had gone crazy, and he was probably just torturing Bodhi.

Lastly, I think it's important for films to make a firm case that torture is a really ineffective means of extracting reliable information. Too many movies paint that false picture that torture works and works easily.

Or Cthulhu. Lovecraft would have loved the scene. It's pure dark fantasy.

 

I wonder why they haven't included it in the Visual Dictionary. Was he added ad hoc during re-shots? They detailed everything in that book (apart of Tarkin - but probably they didn't want any leaks). Either way, still not like him

 

I picture it more like... they're standing 20 meters away, a hand extended in front of them in terror yelling "Nooooooooooo" as the many Bor Gullets slowly creep towards them at a tremendously slow pace.

 

I liked what they were trying to do with bor gullet, the only issue I felt was they did not have enough screen with Saw and his guys to really flesh out some of the themes they were going for. I would have loved to see just a bit more of those guys.

I felt bor gullet should have been smaller, and sitting in a big bowl of green water, with bodhi tied up in front of the bowl, then as Saw started speaking about the mind reading octopus, its tenticals and body could have emerged from the slimy water. And wrapped around bodhis head..... that would have been awesome.

By having the octopus so big it looked fake, and too much like the scene out of starship troopers where they found the Alien brain bug.

So I wasn't a huge fan of the alien looks, but I loved what it represented. I'm so impressed with rouge one. It's better than I ever thought it would be, and exactly what I wanted to see in a Star Wars movie.


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The entire audience laughed at Jabba The Hutt in ROTJ at my cinema... in 1983.

(I personally was sat there with my arms crossed and frowning away - a furious little 6 year old taking it all far too seriously)

UKS

 

Awkward and ultimately noncontributory scene...I agree with the poster who suggested leaving it on the cutting room floor

 

of course... what we're both thinking...

 

Don't think so because there was enough in the Art of book about it that didn't make it seem like a late edition.

 

oh ok.. they will not release it here in Poland for next 10 months so I had to wait for my UK copy from Amazon thanks for the info..

 

In the released version there is no payoff demonstrating that Bor Gullet has any mind reading powers whatsoever.

It could all have been a ruse to torture Bodhi into confessing. His confusion afterwards could just have likely been shock.

I think that scene told us a lot about Saw and his state of mind. Bor I can give or take, but Saw is really interesting in that scene. Deranged.