ST Kylo Ren and Rey in VIII and IX (See new guidelines on page 228)

They can't be stranded. The Falcon is there

 

i think the theory of Kylo and his boys trying to destroy the last remnants of the jedi is close.

 

In ix, if he is not pulled back.

 

I’m not talking about Rey and Luke.

My point was originally made in response to the idea that Kylo arrives early on, is captured/etc which seemed to imply that most of or a large chunk of Achoo scenes would be Luke/Rey/Kylo or just Rey/Kylo, which appeared to me to conflict with what we already know about the film and doesn’t seem at all likely considering that Kylo’s arrival would be a big clue that Achoo is no longer a safe place to remain for any length of time.

I was disagreeing and saying what I thought was more likely re: Kylo on Achoo.

Perfectly on-topic.

 

That's easy, because the First Order reinforcements have arrived and are trying to kill/capture Luke or free Kylo. Destroying the hut could accomplish either goal, and it fits with the shot in the teaser of the Falcon being under attack by TIE fighters. It would make sense for Kylo to draw Rey into a conversation then use the chaos of the exploding hut to capture/kill her only for Luke to intervene at the cost of his own freedom. Rey likely had to flee the planet under fire without Luke. Luke's capture might even be the reason for Finn's infiltration mission, and the Grizzlies vs Snowflakes fight we heard about awhile back. Kylo may keep Luke alive because Luke found knowledge on Achto that Kylo wants, giving the resistance a chance to free Skywalker. So Finn and Rose infiltrate, setting up bombs and allowing their backup (including Rey) to board the ship. Finn allows himself to be capture, distracting security while Rey frees Luke. At the right moment, Finn triggers the bomb, so he Rose and the other reinforcements strike at the unprepared First Order. In the end, Luke is Rescued, Phasma is defeated and the heroes make their escape.

However, that escape leads the First Order to Crait where the Resistance makes it's stand since it has an advantage with the information Finn and Rose got from DJ and the assistance of Luke and his apprentice Rey.

 

"Through service, your life gains meaning."

"True power must be used."

"You have no destiny"

"The Light can not last"

And his reasoning becomes clearer, as Spock said "Superior ability breeds superior ambition." His mother is a politician, his father a smuggler and Uncle Luke seemingly adheres to the Jedi tenants. None of them wish to overstep their bounds, they've seen what happens when you do. However, young, prideful and impatient Kylo sees power as a way to IMPOSE order on the universe, to impose a will on the galaxy. Rey has seen the chaos of a near lawless world...but she's also seen how those with power can abuse it. This will make for an interesting philosophical clash. The Privileged child that thinks they were born to rule, versus the orphaned kid who just wants to protect her friends and family.

 

We legit don't know much about how Act II/III of TLJ will go, we know some events that will take place, but not how it all shakes out. The teaser image of the Falcon chased by TIEs could easily be on Crait (same sky color/clouds), of course they're not all stranded since the Falcon is still there, but if MSW's reports of burning ships is correct (and again who knows?!) Kylo himself could very well be trapped/stranded/imprisoned. A lot of what was in MSW's reports on the lightsaber battle/cliff scene, have turned out to be at least partly incorrect... many doubt that Luke would tell Rey to kill Kylo for instance, so really any and all speculation regarding that part of the story is game for discussion.

And as far as the Battlefront voice lines (from Kylo AND others) none of them have any bearing on TLJ or are spoilers, I mean this a game where Rey & Darth Maul faceoff on Naboo for goodness sakes!!

 

This dialogue from the game surprised me. From the way the internet has been collectively discussing the promotion of Kylo Ren for TLJ, I kind of got swept up in the assumption that he would be a torn wildcard more than a villain in this movie. It turns out that no, he still sounds like a straight up villain, ordering massacres and fighting for Snoke and the FO. Is there a theory that that dialogue will just pertain to the TFA era? I'm also getting the impression from the dialogue that MSW was correct about Kylo's motive being revenge against Rey.

Also, he seems super ugly toward Leia in this dialogue, presuming he's talking about her when he references "the princess," "the general," and the one who betrayed her father too. It's like Rey watched him murder his father and now is going to argue with him in defense of his mother as well.

 

Absolutely this. The game's dialogue is reflective of the cross-era scenarios and a simple versus shoot-em-up campaign. Anyone looking for spoilers or a hint of how the characters will be in TLJ is spinning their wheels. LFL isn't that sloppy.

 

Yeap.

Now, they’re clearly still marketing him as a villain. Those lines sound...rather villainous. Which would seem inconsistant with Kylo turning to the light at the start of TLJ, but I dont see anyone arguing that will happen.

 

I never said Kylo would arrive early. You're disagreeing with your own strawman.

You seem to think it'll revolve around her daddy, which is why I suggested discussing it in a separate thread, that's all. *shrug*

 

I'm glad we're all in agreement, since a version of this video was posted at 3:26 am on 06OCT17 in this very thread by Diminished Comet, as evidence for Reylo. Of course that Video doesn't contain ALL the quotes this one does, but the point stands....a pre-release quote from a game is unlikely to give away major character's arc before the film is out.

 

No need for that. Seriously, I’m not attacking you, just disagreeing.

I thought your spec’d scenario involved Kylo being on Achoo for an extended period of time. That’s what it suggested to me. It wasn’t a straw man; it was an honest and, imo, reasonable interpretation on my part, as I couldn’t picture such a scenario being possible without Kylo being on Achoo for a long while.

Actually, RJ’s comments have suggested that it will involve Luke (insomuch as it involves a relationship with another character). But I’m not arguing Reysky here.

Disagreeing with a spec’d Rey/Kylo scenario is perfectly on-topic for this thread. I’m not arguing Rey/Kylo is irrelevant or shouldn’t be discussed. I’m just explaining why I disagree with a particular one proposed.

 

I blame Rian Johnson (he's said that lying by storytellers is fair game) for really putting down the idea of Kylo Ren being a villain or becoming more a villain and calling him a "sweetheart" and liking all that happy shipper stuff on twitter.

https://twitter.com/admiraljello/status/916694418836553728

 

Interesting.

 

I think Rian wasn't lying. Some directors love villains, also Daisy Ridley liked some reylo art on her instagram too (and finnrey etc), it doesn't mean nothing. Isn't their fault if fans are over analyzing every fan art they like

 

Wait....”inverse hero’s journey”? I heard someone report “inverse Anakin.”

Very very different implications.

I rather think the latter is a more accurate description/prediction tho.

 

What do you think the difference is between Inverse Anakin and Inverse Hero's Journey?

 

I think it's because Anakin had an Inverse Hero's Journey in PT.

 

Not really. The tweet was about Kylo trying to become a villain the same way a typical hero tries to become a hero. That's not like Anakin at all.

 

I'd argue Anakin was headed for a fall from the get go, even if certain things looked similar to the heroes journey.

 

Kylo gets a bowl haircut and starts saying "that's so wizard!!!" confirmed.

 

Agreed, Kylo WANTS what he thinks his grandfather had...completely missing the fact that Vader was a miserable monster who fueled his power with his pain in an attempt to make something useful out of his terrible mistake.



Rey is going to have a hard time understanding how someone, whose family loved them enough to come back for him even after all they'd done...could continue in darkness. Afterall, when Finn came for her she hugged him. When Han came for Ben, the prodigal son ran him through with a lightsaber.

 

Which is why I think it would be extremely helpful if they had known each other as kids.

Much easier to get the audience on-board for redemption.

Kylo is a very divisive character. By design.