ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

Nope you're not the only one.

That would be interesting to have them interact, begrudgingly to begin with and later with some sort of uneasy peace between them.

 

Same here, but I don't care much of the FO plot either.
DJ and Luke were right: don't join

If my guts feeling is right, if there will be a fight for control inside the FO, the same will happen inside the Rebels (let's say it for symmetry's sake)
Kylo will be usurped, but so will be Rey --she'll have to bear the whole "last hope" responsibility on her shoulders as the official Last Jedi. She'll be given a high rank.

To end the conflict, either politics and diplomacy kicks in and FO and Rebels start to talk -- or there will be dissidents from BOTH sides (Finn's "last wish": he wished he had convinced other stormtroopers to follow his example) and we may have Rey, Kylo, Finn and Rose "forced" to intervene to save what they love.

 

It feels like a silly plot point from a dumb rom-com or sitcom. Will they or won't they? What is this? The TV show Friends?

 

well I mean some people think it is going to happen.

 

TLJ showed the resistance as good guys.
I dont think Rey will leave the resistance or they will throw Rey out.
Also Rey is not a jedi yet, let alone the last jedi.

Kylo will come to their rescue and help the resistance after getting betrayed by Hux.
It was in TLJ dialogue, Rey said if Kylo turns from the dark side, it will shift the tide in their favour.That will be how they win. And he is their "last hope".
There's too much forshadowing of Kylo being the hope of the galaxy.

I find it really interesting bcoz our heroes should be the hope but HOPE is always used for the skywalkers (mostly Kylo) in ST.
But its understandable i guess bcoz its their family story, so they will be the hope and saviour of the galaxy.

 

I dont know man.
Its better than the Han, Leia, Luke love triangle from the OT.

Kylo - Rey dynamic is the most interesting part of ST.
So i like it.
I wont mind their romance either.

 

Oh I love the Rey/Kylo dynamic. And I like the romantic angle.

But what I like and what I might predict or be skeptical about are different things.

 

@Dragon Jedi I don't think Kylo is going to destroy Rey, it's just when emotions over rule your logic and reason you believe what you mean at that moment. Luke recognized that,
Kylo Ren: I'll destroy her. And you. And all of it.

Luke Skywalker: No. Strike me down in anger and I'll always be with you. Just like your father.

Luke was calm and accepting...he searched Kylo's eyes, found them full of fury and hurt. ..He shut down his lightsaber.

If I could copy and past that section of the book I would but can't. Tablets can be limiting.

*snickers* Luke a crafty little troll like his master before him. He let Kylo "destroy" his ghost and letting him see that hopefully anger is not the way to go.

I hope that Kylo is not the last of the Skywalker bloodline because to me the family has good in them, Shmi, Padme, Luke, Leia and at times Anakin and Kylo Ben.

I can understand why Disney needs to move on to new characters but I've grown quite attached to that little family. I just hope the send off doesn't involve more death Leia's a side.

I want to believe that Kylo finds the balance between emotion, logic and reason but I'm thinking Disney wants death.

Perhaps the grey Jedi is the balance between logic, reason and emotions while the Sith is fueled by negative emotions and the Jedi by almost no emotions with logic and reason.

I'm finding forgiveness in of yourself and towards others is a hard road to walk but it's very freeing. Negative emotions are so easy to get attached too to the point they are all that you have left.

Vader at the end recognized that, Palestine I think enjoyed those emotions.

There is more to life then pain and suffering. There is hope, joy and love.

Kylo Ben is on the fence, he could go either way. His further fall or redemption is not set in stone. There's more of a hint of him keeping on the path he's on then the small acts of redemption hope we seen in the movies/books to lead him towards the light.

If he's equally dark and light how in the world is Disney going to show that properly? To me, we need a time jump of more then a few weeks or months. Maybe a year. To me I see death in his future because Disney wants to move on from the Skywalker legacy but I hope not.

It's just frustrating to understand how there is hope in this story moving forward. How in the bleep is Kylo Ben going to be redeemed? He doesn't want the light, not fully, bah humans are complicated.

How is his connection to Rey help/hinder him? If she's just there to "save" him, it's equally frustrating.

I can't see how the threads of this tapestry are going to weave together properly and it's driving me batty! No wonder I like reading children's fiction, simple plot lines!

@The Regular Mustache I loved the smooch post! It made me laugh.

 

The OT showed the Resistance as good guys.
This new trilogy challenges pretty much everything we do know of Star Wars and this is deliberate.

We have a legendary hero who lies, we have a villain who “nurtures” and helps the hero, we have the very symbol of the Resistance, who once was capable of moving the galaxy to her aid on her beauty or authority alone, who now cannot move anything more.
And, like in Shakespeare, you have the truth spoken by the most unlikely character: The fool.

Where is the challenge if the Rebellion would win again the war? Wouldn’t it be just a bad copy of ROTJ? NO, the FO won’t win either but something else will and it is something we haven’t seen yet.

I agree with you that there are foreshadowing, but if we’re in line with JJ Abrams and R. Johnson who challenged everything we know of Star Wars, we must look for them in the most unlikely places. And we tend to overlook Canto Bight as just an annoyingly long 20-something minutes of waste of time without thinking that is was quite the central adventure of TLJ for a purpose.
It showed us the business of war.
The OT was pretty much a child of its time: The cold war, two poles, black and white.
The ST is another child of its time: The time of terrorism.

Adam Driver: defined in an interview Kylo Ren, the FO AND the Rebellion as “terrorists” who fight for a cause they both think it is right. What do they say? A man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.

Kylo: kill the past. Do something new. He’s right, but since he’s the villain we assume he’s wrong. So we believe that Rey is right, because she is the hero and “a good person”. But even a good person can be wrong and she really is when she wants to turn Kylo and make him join the Rebellion. And would it make sense for Kylo to join the Rebellion when it was the very object that estranged his family to him? Not to me.

DJ: is an intriguing character (and they gave the role to such an amazing actor like Benicio del Toro so that we can remember him) and he’s the only one telling the truth of the ongoing star war: “The Resistance? The First Order? They’re both the same machine—and that machine’s a meat grinder. Do you help a meat grinder by jumping into it? Well, in a way you do but that’s semantics, I guess. Look. Good guys, bad guys, them’s made-up words to keep everyone fighting. Keep the money spinning around. That’s what I steal from…A-ha!”

Rose, who just lost her sister to the war and we expect her to seek revenge, she foretells the ending: it’s not destroying what we hate, but saving what we love that we win. No more fight, no more destruction.

The way I see it this is Disney’s revolution of Star Wars. How they mean to achieve it... that's the big question. But it is not going the obvious way. I think we can safely assume that.

 

The novelization actually spells out that Rey wanted to take Kylo back to Luke and the three of them would start a new Jedi Order together. Oh yeah, not gonna happen!

Rey and Kylo have somewhat differing visions of their future together, but I think they will have to meet somewhere in the middle.

 

Why not Rey having a sister or brother?
Would be fun if a new family member shows up.

 

That is the Junior novelization I believe, that I haven't read.
In the Fry novelization there is no doubt that Rey is talking of turning the tides the war. There is no speech of a new Jedi Order.

Either way: Rey was exceedenly confident that such deep wounds could be healed in a heartbeat. Kylo will redeem, everything points towards that direction, but for an act of compassion driven by unconditional love, not ideology.

 

I think that’s exactly what’s going to happen.look what happened in the throne room when dark and light worked in concert? There was a certain harmony when they fought side-by-side.

 

I don't think so. The harmony came because both wanted to survive.

 

It was like dancing. They moved like mirrors, searching and finding each other on pure instinct.
Good that they had a taste of what it could be. They are going to miss it.

 

IX could be really interesting if they do commit to the idea of finding balance, both individually and together (not necessarily romantically), rather than straight out light wins/dark loses. It would also work better for Kylo/Ben in terms of building something new and make his turn/redemption more realistic rather than a light switch moment of choosing pure light over pure dark. And it would fit with what Luke did teach Rey on the island about the Force and balance.

 

The novelization did have Rey, while escaping from the First Order flagship, reflecting on that she'd made that exact mistake in believing that Kylo would turn at the drop of a hat. However, the novelization does not support the idea that he will be redeemed for sure; her realization is that the Force vision she saw of Kylo turning was just one possible future and that she can't control that outcome. (Frankly, there is very little pointing to Kylo redeeming, based on what we have right now.)

 

Actually I think it's in between. What Rey reflects on is that she senses Kylo will learn eventually that he is the Force's instrument and to stop trying to bend it to his will. She also knows the Force isn't done with him, therefore his life isn't hers to take.

The junior novelization oddly has Leia reflecting that maybe Rey can help save her son.

It's not either that there's like nothing to hint at redemption OR that it's like "Kylo will def be redeemed."

It's in between.

 

The novelization (either the Fry text or the Junior novelization, I can't remember) also highlights that she realize his life is not hers to take, and that the Force has a plan for him. That doesn't sound like a protagonist who is making plans to kill the villain.

 

Has anyone seen the Mark and Rian interview? They mention THAT hut scene again, Mark calls it a *ahem* scene (sorry not sure If im allowed to post that word here) and says it's HOT. Rian is at the back laughing/agreeing. Around the 7:20 mark.

 

Yep. RJ started it by mentioning the "Let the past die" as the big sexy quote of the movie and then Mark, "speaking of..." and RJ's reaction was amusing. lol.

 

Haha I know! They're not even hiding it anymore!

Also honest question, If Ben and Rey don't achieve balance (as in accepting the light and dark within themselves) by the end of the trilogy, then what is the purpose of the ST? It's always been obvious to me that the FO vs Resistance/Empire vs Rebels is just a backdrop for the more emotional stories at the forefront i.e Anakin/Padme's forbidden love and how trying to save her from death leads him to the darkside, the conflict/love between Luke and his father as he tries to save his father back to the lightside, Ben and Rey's forbidden/secretive bond and their feelings for each other since they're on the opposite sides of war and the force. They're two sides of the whole and have proven that light and dark can work together. Heck the Force always splits them up everytime they fight!

 

Well, now I wonder if my love Mark will be insulted in the same way unmarried and childless Rian was insulted when he talked about that scene. In this interview Mark called that scene hot.

Right. He won't be, of course.

 

But it also made me think that, in a way probably stretching here, that Mark's comment with the hut scene that it also tied to the let the past die, but it could be hinting at a combined "balance" between the old way and the new way between Rey and Kylo. *coughs*grey force babies*cough cough*new grey Jedi order*cough*

On a different note, Hux was reflecting on how the FO stormtroopers were a blend of the clones and the Jedi order as in brainwashed from birth to follow orders in a military setting of the clones and how the FO were the Jedi order's legacy. I'm predicting that Finn is going to lead or start a rebellion of stormtroopers and take back what is theirs. Aka it's going to bit Hux in the butt. That would be so cool!

 

I think that for all people involved in creating this movie it is pretty obvious what kind of relationship is intended for Ben and Rey and what was presented on the screen.
Ladies and Gentlemen Mark Hamill!