main
side
curve

ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in the ST

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Darth_Voider, Dec 17, 2015.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Sep 20, 2002
    Promotional pictures are a lot more dramatic these days than they were in 2002. :p
     
  2. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    Aug 14, 2000
    Rey wore it better :D
     
  3. rorow1

    rorow1 Jedi Knight star 2

    Registered:
    Jul 21, 2017
    No. Jedi find empty rooms to pose in, because they are humble. Rey has a lot to learn. Such arrogance!
     
  4. Qui-Riv-Brid

    Qui-Riv-Brid Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 18, 2013
    Now hold on there!

    It's been established that Rey doesn't learn but downloads knowledge instantly.
     
    2Cleva, Solo88, Shadao and 3 others like this.
  5. Glitterstimm

    Glitterstimm Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 30, 2017
    I still suspect that LFL will incorporate Rey into the Skywalker lineage in Ep IX, but I can’t see any way that works without undermining TFA, TLJ and the whole saga in general. As others have stated, there seem to be 3 likely scenarios for what they will do.

    Scenario 1: Rey is the biological daughter of Leia and Han. This was my initial prediction both before and immediately after seeing TFA, and I still think it’s possible they will go this route, though it seems less likely after TLJ. While I think this would have been an excellent choice if it had been committed to earlier, the problem is that now it is too little too late in terms of giving Rey a compelling relationship with Kylo, Leia and Han. Even if Ep IX goes to great pains to re-contextualize Rey’s relationships I still can’t see it solving more problems than it creates. Aside from obvious questions like “Why didn’t Han, Leia or Kylo recognize and inform her earlier?” the broader problem will be that two whole films were wasted trying to get to the crucial revelation that the whole trilogy rests upon. There will still be a sense that a narrative error has been committed and things are being patched up.

    Scenario 2: Rey is Luke’s biological daughter. This seems very unlikely to me because it will require the most side-tracking exposition in order to make sense. Some big questions will need to be answered. Who is her mother and why hasn’t she been mentioned? What was Luke’s process for deciding that he should not practice the traditional celibacy of the Jedi Order? Why would he shun his own daughter? Why did Luke leave her on Jakuu, etc. But the bigger problem is that it will further complicate a relationship that is in desperate need of clarity and simplicity. Luke is already going to probably be some strange combination of ghost-teacher-saint-Gandalf character and adding “Dad” to that will only make things crazier. And as with scenario 1, it will feel like making up for wasted time. If he’s going to be her dad, why not do that when he was still alive and able to have modest, wonderful father-daughter scenes?

    Scenario 3: Rey will take on the Skywalker name and Luke will be her fairy godfather instead of her actual father. This seems increasingly likely as it is the simplest route to take but there are some major issues. Firstly, it adds nothing to her relationship with Kylo except to create a kind of competition over naming rights. Secondly, it confuses the actual legacy of the Skywalkers and why their name is important at all. Is it important simply because of Luke and the inspiring things he’s accomplished? Or is it somehow linked to the prophecy of the chosen one? Will it be some mechanism for identifying Rey as conceived by The Force a la’ Anakin, and if so shouldn’t he be part of this too? Also why does anyone in the GFFA care about the Skywalkers anyway? It seems like a lot of explaining to do for not much payoff.

    All things considered I have no expectations for Ep IX’s potential to rehabilitate TLJ and TFA. Even if Rey finally gets the attention she deserves as the nominal hero of the story, I don’t see how it can make up for lost time.
     
  6. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Dec 23, 2015
    Based on the books, they don't. Even before the galaxy knew about Ben Solo becoming Kylo Ren, Emperor, er, Supreme Leader, of the galaxy and leader of the Empire, er, First Order, people were super skeptical of Luke and Leia due to their connection to Vader. Rey taking on this name would be a huge burden for her. She'd be better off branding herself as the savior of the galaxy that destroyed the last Skywalker after IX.
     
    wobbits, Ren Kylo, Shadao and 6 others like this.
  7. RiddleMeThis

    RiddleMeThis Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Dec 7, 2017
    If Gaston had slain the Beast, I'm sure the townspeople would've considered him a savior as well.
     
  8. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Dec 23, 2015
    ...Yeah... they would have. I think I'm missing your point though.
     
  9. Jedi Jessy

    Jedi Jessy Force Ghost star 5

    Registered:
    Feb 28, 2016
    I was ReySky theorist once and again Felicity and Daisy also look alike. And Jyn's mother (Lyra Erso) looks like Rey too.
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG][​IMG]

    "Jyn had insisted at the last minute on wearing a helmet that made her look like a starfighter pilot."
    — James Luceno: Catalyst
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2018
  10. Glitterstimm

    Glitterstimm Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 30, 2017
    Ah, good point. That was in Bloodline I think? So there would need to be a whole “rehabilitation” arc which would be another complication. Really puts into perspective the problems that come up when you don’t plan out the story in advance. Lucas wasn’t publishing books in between ANH, ESB and ROTJ thank goodness. In any case though, I think Rey will be made a Skywalker if for no other reason than that Disney didn’t spend 4 billion dollars to get rid of the Skywalker name.
     
    Shadao and AhsokaSolo like this.
  11. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    May 19, 2002
    Classic Rey! She gets handed a great background and Obi-Wan, who’s a Jedi Master, and who has spent his whole life training has a plain background!

    :p
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2018
    Eternal_Jedi and godisawesome like this.
  12. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Registered:
    Dec 14, 2010
    Agreed. As much as I may think that TLJ dropped the ball in how to handle Rey Anonymous and as much as I may think Rey Skywalker is a superior idea, Rey needs IX as a film to develope as an autonomous character who can stand on her own. I presumed that would be the case even with Rey Skywalker, but I believed that Rey Anonymous would do something worthwhile in TLJ if that was the direction they went with, but ultimately Johnson wanted to delay focus and building on her even more.

    And while I don't think Rey Revealed would screw up TFA that much (personally I still think she has a decent story arc there with simply coming to embrace the Force, in contrast to TLJ's botching of her arc), it would effectively render TLJ pointless save possibly for the baleful and underwritten connection to Kylo, and simulataneously make Rey seem a pale character in comparison to Anakin and Luke, even if she'd be their clear successor.

    Rey Related needed at least one film dedicated to her reaction to it, and IX is not the time to try splitting audience attention with a reveal about older characters.
     
    AhsokaSolo and Glitterstimm like this.
  13. Eternal_Jedi

    Eternal_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 3

    Registered:
    Sep 12, 2001
    Am I the only one who doesn't think that Daisy Ridley looks much like Natalie Portman?

    I can sort of see it in that single casting-agent headshot that was about the only available image of her when the casting was announced. But other than that single image, I don't really see that much of a resemblance.
     
  14. Bloberto

    Bloberto Chosen One star 8

    Registered:
    Dec 15, 2000
    Agreed. I don't see it either. I think there's a touch of Hugo Weaving about her. Please let him appear in the next film.
     
    rorow1 and Eternal_Jedi like this.
  15. cerealbox

    cerealbox Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    May 5, 2016
    Rey/Daisy has always looked more like Shmi to me.
     
    rorow1 and Blobofat like this.
  16. Bloberto

    Bloberto Chosen One star 8

    Registered:
    Dec 15, 2000
    Good call! I see it now you say it.
     
    cerealbox likes this.
  17. yodaman_reborn

    yodaman_reborn Jedi Master star 2

    Registered:
    Feb 7, 2009
    I thought she looked more like Keira Knightly.
     
  18. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 22, 2015
    This is a joke right?
     
    Birkendoc likes this.
  19. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

    Registered:
    Apr 6, 2018
    She looks nothing like Portman.

    Is this even a common fan opinion?
     
    IncessantRamblings and Satipo like this.
  20. Ender_and_Bean

    Ender_and_Bean Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    May 19, 2002
    They're all conventionally beautiful so they share certain symmetrical similarities in facial bone structure that most people have come to associate with beauty and in doing so all 3 obviously look more like each other than most people we see in life look like to any of them but beyond those qualities when you really look into their eyes it's there where the biggest differences are. I have always had a strange ability to match eyes in that I'll sometimes be reminded of a celebrity's eyes (color/shape/distance from each other/brow ridge) that matches another celebrity or someone I know and frequently I'll notice actresses in Hollywood whose eyes remind me of my wife's beautiful eyes (I'm allowed to be biased!) to such an extent that if you did just a photoshop zoom in on eyes only you'd more often see what I see. So, maybe it's just me but... despite all having brown eyes...I don't think their eyes look very much alike beyond that shared characteristic. Kiera's nose is also different than Natalie and Daisy's, who share a more similar nose shape to each other than they do to her. Though, all 3 noses are also slightly different. Kiera's smile is closer to Daisy's. Portman's smile is different from the other two.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2018
  21. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

    Registered:
    Aug 14, 2000
    I think most people can differentiate between “conventionally beautiful + symmetrical features” and “look suspiciously similar.”

    You’re also ignoring young Mark...

    My point is they cast a lead actress who strongly resembles two Skywalkers. LFL casting is fairly experianced at casting actors/actresses who play family members to existing characters. I’m sure they also know how to cast actors/actresses who *don’t.*
     
    The Regular Mustache likes this.
  22. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Mar 29, 2014
    I mean... They all look different to me. If they were playing a relative of the other, I could buy it. But I don't think I would ever see them and think "my god, they must be related". I mean, Hayden doesn't look like Mark and Nathalie doesn't look like Carrie, but I can buy that they are supposed to be related. I actually think Driver is the best casting in terms of looking like he could be related to his screen parents.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2018
    Lost_Hope and IncessantRamblings like this.
  23. AhsokaSolo

    AhsokaSolo Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Dec 23, 2015
    I still remember the first time I saw the TFA teaser with Rey on her speeder. I wasn’t following SW news at the time and I didn’t know they were making another SW movie. I remember how stoked I was, how much I loved the teaser. Oh and I remember seeing the girl that looked like Padme and Luke on the speeder in the desert, and I immediately assumed she was a Skywalker.

    People can get technical about how dissimilar DR and NP’s mouths or eyebrows are, but from a movie perspective, yeah they look like they were cast as family in what has always been a family franchise. I just didn’t realize at the time that KK views brunette British women as the only female demographic that can lead a SW film.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2018
    -LordSkywalker- and ChildOfWinds like this.
  24. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Dec 22, 2015
    The first time I saw Daisy in the TFA trailer I thought, "oh they got another Natalie Portman/Keira Knightly type for the role" and when I was thinking that I had forgotten that both Natalie and Keira were in the prequels. I hadn't thought about Star Wars in years before TFA came out and I think I've only seen the prequels once and largely forgotten about them.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2018
    Shadao likes this.
  25. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

    Registered:
    Mar 29, 2014
    Well, I guess the obvious answer here is that sometimes assumptions can be wrong.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.