ST Kylo Ren's Future/Fate. Death/Redemption/Other?

Who said anything about "blameless"?

That's not a zero-sum. Palpatine can have been stoking his worst qualities for years, same as Anakin, and it all still be Ben's fault and weakness-of-character for doing the wrong thing rather than the right. That's the whole message of the prequels with grandpappy.

 

Exactly. Palpatine has been trying to manipulate this bloodline throughout the whole saga. It’s part of the overall story.

 

This is what I have been hoping for all along. Leia being the key piece of the puzzle that both defines his pull to the light and also allows him to make heroic choices towards redemption. I am worried thought that has been lost with Carrie's passing and a different story has now evolved.

 

Since the release of The Force Awakens, I have switched my theory many times. Rey said in the last film that she saw Kylo's future, and while he did not "bow to Snoke" as she said he wouldn't, he also did not turn to the light side as we know from The Last Jedi's denouement. This may mean that he will turn later, but Force visions of the future may or may not always come true or be accurate (Yoda's in the prequels, Palpatine's in ROTJ- "Difficult to see, always in motion, is the future.")

However, I think that if Kylo turns light, it's nearly inevitable that he will die. Vader's fate was sealed back in 1980 when he made the big reveal on Cloud City, and even if the audience accepts Kylo's redemption, maybe three of the Resistance characters will if he's lucky (one of them being his mother). If Kylo isn't redeemed, I can't see an ending with his survival, given that TROS is, by all accounts so far, intended as the last saga film.

 

A sympathetic villain, an anti-hero in the making, his whole ideals broken and the truth rushes in like the waters of a broken dam, in a grand epiphany and you see the inspiration of Logan's Run.

Kylo's future was predicted, the clues where there from the beginning. The story of Ben Solo is only as complicated as you make it, it really is very simplistic. To the SW fan who is looking for outrageous motives and outlandish concepts, there are none. Whilst everyone is searching to find Campbell's The Hero's Journey in Rey's story but the truth could be it's there, mirrored or reversed and in the story of Ben Solo. That said the messy way we've gotten to this point has made it difficult to sell this to the audience, how can Rey ever love Ben Solo the hero? Will the turning point be the intervention of Leia as it seemed to be destined to be until the tragedy of real life interfered, may be that can now be transferred to another character because the way it has built up Rey has to be given the push to trust Kylo now.

Who is there that will tell Rey to believe in Ben Solo, have we seen that moment already?

 

What if he sacrifices himself to save a porg? I feel like we should all forgive him if he does that.

 

I'm going to be really disappointed now if this isn't how it ends.

 

I really want to know what the deal with the porgs on the MF is. Who is feeding them, and what are they feeding them?

 

The porgs sustain themselves by slowly nibbling at the remaining members of the Resistance.

 

And to be indelicate, what happens after they eat? Han would have had a croaking fit seeing them on his ship.

 

#Kebab Fortuna
#Hanburger

 

It's unlikely at best I know, but I did wonder about Kylo's redemption being left to the audience after, in a callback to the samurai movies that inspired the series to begin with, he gets overcome by shame at the end and falls upon his own blade in lightsaber seppuku.

 

On the flip side it could be cool if Kylo is redeemed and survives but only Rey knows he’s alive and she keeps it a secret from even her closest friends. Might be interesting to have out new Jedi hero keeping a secret from the good guys.
That could make for some good drama down the road should they make future movies with the ST cast...which they probably won’t.

 

I agree.

The only way I could see him surviving is if he is in almost total isolation, though Rey could know he is alive.

If they do aim for saga films beyond IX, they could have Rey commune with Kylo in secret about Jedi/Force stuff, then Finn and the Resistance become worried or suspicious about what she is doing.

On the other hand, an ending to IX with Kylo living and Rey privately knowing he is alive could very well conclude the story in a satisfying way.

From there, they could continue the story in canon novels and comics a la the Thrawn Trilogy.

 

That idea works best if they did plan on making more movies with this group. personally, i don't think thats the plan. i think that will be a possibility left open. but i don't think they have a plan to do more at this time.

In that case it kinda makes the most sense not to leave it open. its probably best to wrap it neatly in a bow. along with the previous trilogies.

I think if Ben goes off on his own there will be alot of questions left in the minds of the audience. but you kinda want to answer those questions the most conclusive way possible. no one says Ben has to have a scene with Poe and Finn or anything like that where we need to see that dynamic. i doubt the ending will be that detailed or explanative.

 

The ending the MSW rumors sugest looks quite likely and definitive. They seem to want to tie Palpatine and the Skywalker stories together. Kylo beats Palpatine, Palps posseses Kylo, Kylo asks Rey to end both for good.

Kylo's last act would mean ending Palpatine after 9 movies, finishing what his grandfather started.

One way to view this is that Rey would kill the evil inside Ben (Palpatine) by stabbing him, so the good Ben Solo can return. But that presents a variety of problems, as some others have siggested. Plus, bringing someone back to life opens a door I don't think it is healthy to open.

 

Well that MSW rumour also suggests if Ben dies that an extra "but Rey does something" is there. but that "something" is left unclear.

Really it does not bring back any problems. at least not for the saga to have to worry about. the books and stuff can go more into depth. but the movies will have to be streamlined.

 

But then why didn't Vader get to come back as Anakin in a jazzy new hero-white suit? If "Ben" comes "back" from death as anything other than a FG, I won't be consuming any post-ST material so it won't matter to me how they try to justify it in the books.

 

So Kylo, the ST's evil big bad, will get possessed by another big bad, Palpatine, and Rey will kill Kylo in order to kill Palpatine, who was killed in ROTJ?

 

That's if everyone hasn't been killed first!

 

I'll be pretty disgusted if they go with a Ben resurrection story. That's the filmmakers putting way too much faith in our investment in Ben/Kylo as a character. If he lives that's one thing, but to be the only character in Star Wars history to be resurrected? Why? He has done nothing to earn that privilege.

 

That's the great idea of bringing Palpatine back I guess. Nothing I dislike more than these villains who can't seem to die for good.

But here we are...

 

Maybe we need to wait to see episode 9 before make premature assumptions.

Anakin got the privilege of dying and becoming one with the force. getting his body back and whatever. but since bad guys don't really get that privilege to be one with the force, i don't think Anakin was punished much for 20 decades of terror.

Infact him appearing as a force ghost was still meant to be a positive thing. reuniting with Obi Wan and Yoda.