ST The Rise of Skywalker - Reviews/Reactions Thread (See Warning On Page 98)

For years a lot of people here proudly showed the rotten tomatoes audience score for episode VIII and said that for general audiences that kind of perception was the true indicator of how people saw something.

Well, as more and more general audience members go to see TROS it has the highest audience score combination between both RT & IMDB with over 100,000 reviews on both places of of ANY Star Wars film outside of the 1980s not named Rogue One or The Force Awakens. It’s this saga’s ROTS in that regard and it happened despite the nitpicks and Indiana Jones style relic searches. It happened with an enormous kiss at the end. It happened while every member of the Skywalker bloodline died and Sheev Palpatine’s grandaughter became the best hope in the future for the Jedi. It happened while being forced to use old footage for Fisher in what was meant to be a Star role.

This is an enormous accomplishment in resolving old threads and in better connecting this trilogy into the past of Star Wars and in completing the Rey & Ben Story in ways that clearly resonate with many audiences in ways that only the OT, RO, TFA & ROTS ever had.

 

That's hilarious, coming from someone who hit us over the head with TLJ's critic score and how we were just not smart enough to understand the brilliant avante garde art house film

 

I liked ROS, but this movie is clearly devisive. Even most who like it have issues with it. When I told my co-worker I liked it he said "you are the first person I've talked to who liked it."

 

I wonder if it depends on how into the franchise you are. I'd imagine hardcore fans would be more divisive than casual ones who don't nitpick things left and right. My boss is going to see the movie tomorrow, and I'm willing to bet he'll find it entertaining. He's more of a casual fan than I am; and I myself are certainly not as hardcore as others in the forum.

 

I've previously stated that TROS will be a fun movie for casual movie-goers, but a terrible movie for people with a decent amount of SW knowledge.

I'd give those scores some time for the refrigerator logic to kick in.

When a movie I don’t like has inconsistent narrative logic:
- Riddled with plot holes
- Confusing
- An embarrassment to cinema

When a movie I do like has inconsistent narrative logic:
- Movie magic
- Avant-garde
- Bold artistic choice

 

To me you can say that about any movie take the Dark Knight it is full of plot holes inconsistency and some bad acting but Heath Ledger saved that movie. you take him out of it and you got The Dark Knight Rises which has all those same problems except now they are magnified

 

I have a "decent" amount of Star Wars knowledge and I loved the movie.

 

I actually thought Kylo/Ben's redemption was relatively believable... certainly the most successful element of TROS for me, and one of the only elements that didn't leave me grimacing...

 

same here, I was surprised at how much it worked for me, I’m glad Leia and Han were so much a part of his turn, and it makes Han’s decision to confront Kylo in TFA more meaningful.

 

has a lot to do with the actor. Im a huge adam driver fan and I see an oscar in his future sooner rather than later. Plus he is a great guy who does loads for the armed services, and he is just awkwardly funny to me.

 

I think you're on dangerous ground there... as trying to use any type of metric in the defence of TROS (or the ST to be honest) only underlines the point that TROS has the worst critical rating since TPM... and that TLJ has, if I remember correctly, the worst audience rating of any Star Wars film. Not that these metrics mean anything to me... but I certainly wouldn't go using them to defend the sequels.

 

It is true that we do overthink and nitpick this franchise, a lot.

Mark Hamill created this term, UPF (Ultra Passionate Fans), not in a most positive way. I guess that even the actors feel that we overthink this thing too much.

 

Which is nice, but then I would presume you know the story has serious issues. How those issues affect your enjoyment of the film is really a personal thing.

 

I hate the kiss and did not need it, but I did not get a happily ever after vibe from that kiss either. I think the Force connection is what got them to really know each other. Who knows how much they can see in each others mind, in this past yr.

 

@anakinfansince1983

yeah Rey’s behavior throughout is pretty suspect, I was hoping when she slammed the door in Kylo’s face at the end of TLJ we were past her making dumb decisions, was I ever wrong.

overall she kind of turned out to be a poor protagonist.

 

How much can a Force user know about a person, if they read their mind? This is part of the question in order to understand why she liked Ben.

How much would we, as real-life persons, know about our friends, or parents, or anyone else, if we were able to fully read their minds?

I feel this is the key to the answer, and everybody will have a different take on this.

 

I dont think this story has anymore issues or inconsistencies than the OT people just gloss over them bc those are beloved movies

 

I didn't have any issues with the story, but to each their own.

 

Ditto. Going into the movie I was certain there was no way it could be pulled off. Turns out all it took was Kylo calling Han "dad."

 

As much as I hated the kiss, TROS steals a lot of potent scenes from the Saga. If one were to look at the scene where Luke keeps insisting that he senses good in Vader - even as Vader himself denies it - then there's some merit to the argument that Rey (and Leia) can sense some things in Ben that others could not.

 

Kylo's redemption: he magnanimously forgave HIMSELF. So from the angle that I believe that is something the privileged, entitled monster would find sufficient, I guess it could be called "believable."

 

This is a genuine question because I’m confused. Why do you and others keep citing IMDb as an example of the audience loving this film compared to TLJ? Every time I check IMDb, the number of reviews goes up, and the rating stays at 7. TLJ has a 7.1. IMDb, unless I’m missing something and I might be, rates RoS below TLJ.

 

You're not at all curious about how Palatine survived not one, but two tremendous explosions?